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post #11 of 209
To me it looks like AMD is backing themselves into a corner.

Take the i3-4330. It has 4MB of L3$ and the Intel HD 4600, which is essentially the overclocked version of the HD 4400. Right now its $135 on Amazon which puts it cheaper than the 7850K and about the cost of the locked A10-7800.

In both games old and new, the i3 4330 is a proven CPU. http://i3wins.eu5.org/

What happens when Broadwell lands and the hypothetical i3-5330 comes with the Intel HD 6000? Then, the Kaveris will lose ground on their only advantage, which is their GPU speed.

On top of that, the Broadwell i3 will be even faster as a CPU. Even if the gains are small, it means a lot for an i3 which only has 2 cores, limited resources, and no Turbo Boost.
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post #12 of 209
Well, now I feel better about buying a 7850K last week.
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IMHO this hardly qualifies as a rumor.
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Following up on November's official reveal, AMD shared some new details about its upcoming Carrizo and Carrizo-L APUs at the Consumer Electronics Show this week. Among the new info: AMD has no plans to offer Carrizo as a socketed chip for desktop PCs.

This isn't WCCF... Techreport is very reputable, and they're just reporting what AMD told them at CES.
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Processors are not significantly any better yet, I'm quite fine with waiting till a really good desktop one comes out. AMD needs the mobile market to stimulate our enthusiast market for a later date.
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Originally Posted by NuclearPeace View Post

To me it looks like AMD is backing themselves into a corner.

Take the i3-4330. It has 4MB of L3$ and the Intel HD 4600, which is essentially the overclocked version of the HD 4400. Right now its $135 on Amazon which puts it cheaper than the 7850K and about the cost of the locked A10-7800.

In both games old and new, the i3 4330 is a proven CPU. http://i3wins.eu5.org/

What happens when Broadwell lands and the hypothetical i3-5330 comes with the Intel HD 6000? Then, the Kaveris will lose ground on their only advantage, which is their GPU speed.

On top of that, the Broadwell i3 will be even faster as a CPU. Even if the gains are small, it means a lot for an i3 which only has 2 cores, limited resources, and no Turbo Boost.

Your post doesn't make any sense. You're talking desktop processors, we are talking mobile. What mobile systems lack is a unit that can effectively play desktop games within a long battery life environment. This will essentially give birth to true mobile gaming platforms in laptops. Too bad NVidia didn't have a mark in x86 core technology.

Carizzo is 30% faster than Kaveri in IPC. Kaveri is 20% faster in IPC than Bulldozer. Kaveri is equal to last generation's i3-i5, but has a huge dedicated pipeline to GPUs. So if it's 30% faster it could be something truly revolutionary, especially when HSA is used.
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post #16 of 209
we aren't likely to see any desktop revision until Zen anyways, which is pretty much the thing to wait for if one was interested in AMD
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I'm waiting for the first APU with HBM memory.
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post #18 of 209
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IMHO this hardly qualifies as a rumor.
This isn't WCCF... Techreport is very reputable, and they're just reporting what AMD told them at CES.
I agree and that is the only reason I felt it was worth posting. However, until its official confirmed by AMD its belongs in the unconfirmed rumors section. We will learn more at the end of February when AMD releases more details on Carrizo at ISSCC 2015.

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I'm waiting for the first APU with HBM memory.
That would be awesome but it would mean AMD has to create an APU were its highest model isn't stuck in the Budget bracket. This wont happen until AMD has a competitive x86 core design to justify the higher price tag.
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Your post doesn't make any sense. You're talking desktop processors, we are talking mobile. What mobile systems lack is a unit that can effectively play desktop games within a long battery life environment. This will essentially give birth to true mobile gaming platforms in laptops. Too bad NVidia didn't have a mark in x86 core technology.

Carizzo is 30% faster than Kaveri in IPC. Kaveri is 20% faster in IPC than Bulldozer. Kaveri is equal to last generation's i3-i5, but has a huge dedicated pipeline to GPUs. So if it's 30% faster it could be something truly revolutionary, especially when HSA is used.

Kaveri is equal to last gen i5? Yeah no..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=1200

A two gen old i5 whacking it across the board.
 
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That would be awesome but it would mean AMD has to create an APU were its highest model isn't stuck in the Budget bracket. This wont happen until AMD has a competitive x86 core design to justify the higher price tag.
Even in their first Fusion APU, Llano, AMD engineers have expressed a protocol requirement due to memory bandwidth limitation on their integrated gpu. Provided that HSA delivers & igpu is sufficiently bandwidth driven, there is no reason that they might not try replacing the FPU with the gpu entirely which I am eagerly looking forward to. Their atrophied FPUs feel as if they are about to undergo programmed cell death. biggrin.gif Besides, HBM will penultimately enable any apu to put the nail on any discrete part's coffin, apart from cooling requirements.
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