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Originally Posted by MapRef41N93W View Post

Kaveri is equal to last gen i5? Yeah no..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=1200

A two gen old i5 whacking it across the board.
Compare to a mobile i5 because he was talking mobile? idk.
If you was to compare the A8-7600 (45W) versus the desktop i5 sandy with same consumption it would end up being fairly equal.
From a IPC point of view Kaveri isn't close enough yet.

Still this part could rock in mobile.
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Originally Posted by dir_d View Post

They probably don't scale well so mobile only.
AMD stated 3.5GHz so I don't see how it wouldn't be good enough.
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

Compare to a mobile i5 because he was talking mobile? idk.
If you was to compare the A8-7600 (45W) versus the desktop i5 sandy with same consumption it would end up being fairly equal.
From a IPC point of view Kaveri isn't close enough yet.

Still this part could rock in mobile.
AMD stated 3.5GHz so I don't see how it wouldn't be good enough.

He was talking specifically about IPC. Mobile or desktop it doesn't matter, Kaveri is about 45-50% slower than Haswell in IPC. Kaveri has issues keeping up with Nehalem clock for clock in single threaded apps. Carrizo with a 30% boost over Kaveri would still be slower than Sandy Bridge.
 
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He was talking specifically about IPC. Mobile or desktop it doesn't matter, Kaveri is about 45-50% slower than Haswell in IPC. Kaveri has issues keeping up with Nehalem clock for clock in single threaded apps. Carrizo with a 30% boost over Kaveri would still be slower than Sandy Bridge.
Yeah that claim seems to be mostly false.
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Originally Posted by MapRef41N93W View Post

He was talking specifically about IPC. Mobile or desktop it doesn't matter, Kaveri is about 45-50% slower than Haswell in IPC. Kaveri has issues keeping up with Nehalem clock for clock in single threaded apps. Carrizo with a 30% boost over Kaveri would still be slower than Sandy Bridge.

It's 60 to 80%. Floating point workloads is usually 80% difference
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Yeah that claim seems to be mostly false.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=191

Slower Nehalem chip beating 7850k in Single threaded apps

"false" you say.
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It's 60 to 80%. Floating point workloads is usually 80% difference

Kaveri has a slightly higher IPC than FX and 60% is generally recognized as the difference between Haswell and FX.
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Battle of the shills above with Speedy and Nuclear. Maarten makes a guest appearance as his AMD Mind Control chip kicked in to remind him of his duties.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
i3s superior in gaming to AMD's APUs? Oh wait, your serious. Lemme laugh even harder. W-wait you think anyone believes a source site called i3wins? Ahahhahahahahhahaha.

And then his AMD counterpart... AMD at the IPC of Ivy Bridge. That's the sound of me laughing so hard I fainted.

SpeedyVY HSA requires specialized software designed for specialized systems leveraging GPGPU capabilities when these systems are in the vast minority of those used for purposes requiring GPGPU. No one is going to willingly redesign software for AMD without being paid considerably. HSA is taking off slower than a penguin. I'd say it'll fade from existence in the desktop space but it had to exist to begin with and that it will not. Yah yah Java gained support because the mobile partners of HSA and/or Google can pressure Oracle for that support.

Looks kinda meh. Doesn't really have anything juicy there. Looks like more of the same. Intel takes power usage and CPU perf wins, AMD takes GPU wins but ends up in cheapo laptops. Though Tonga improvements not assuredly being a part of the GCN in the Carrizo-L APUs would be stupid. Not sure how that could even end up a thing.
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Yeah that claim seems to be mostly false.

Agreed.
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I posted this ages ago on here only to be shot down, the reason (speculation of course) is the ipc increase came with a frequency trade off meaning its great at low power but doesnt scale, ie a 65-95w one wouldnt beat a 65-95w kaveri. This could be good for amd though imo, better to have compete in one area instead of barely competing in 2.
Other rumours I've read are, there could be a kaveri refresh with higher speed and/or hbm, theres another dt apu coming its just called something other than carizzo hence never mentioned with it.
Edited by delboy67 - 1/10/15 at 2:29pm
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Battle of the shills above with Speedy and Nuclear. Maarten makes a guest appearance as his AMD Mind Control chip kicked in to remind him of his duties.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
i3s superior in gaming to AMD's APUs? Oh wait, your serious. Lemme laugh even harder. W-wait you think anyone believes a source site called i3wins? Ahahhahahahahhahaha.

And then his AMD counterpart... AMD at the IPC of Ivy Bridge. That's the sound of me laughing so hard I fainted.

SpeedyVY HSA requires specialized software designed for specialized systems leveraging GPGPU capabilities when these systems are in the vast minority of those used for purposes requiring GPGPU. No one is going to willingly redesign software for AMD without being paid considerably. HSA is taking off slower than a penguin. I'd say it'll fade from existence in the desktop space but it had to exist to begin with and that it will not. Yah yah Java gained support because the mobile partners of HSA and/or Google can pressure Oracle for that support.

Looks kinda meh. Doesn't really have anything juicy there. Looks like more of the same. Intel takes power usage and CPU perf wins, AMD takes GPU wins but ends up in cheapo laptops. Though Tonga improvements not assuredly being a part of the GCN in the Carrizo-L APUs would be stupid. Not sure how that could even end up a thing.

"290x is 130% more powerful than the 980"

-SpeedyVT
 
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post #30 of 209
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Agreed.

Did you even bother looking at the benches MapRef41N93W posted? Of course you didn't.

Let me post it for you again,

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=191

I'm sorry your red tinted glasses prohibit you and Maarten from seeing the truth. Kaveri is 50%+ slower in IPC compared to Haswell per core.
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"290x is 130% more powerful than the 980"

-SpeedyVT

tongue.gif
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