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Source - The Tech Report
Disappointing if this turns out to be true. Nothing official from AMD yet as far as I know outside of this which is unconfirmed. However, we have not heard a single thing about a Desktop variant of Carrizo yet.
Source - The Tech ReportFollowing up on November's official reveal, AMD shared some new details about its upcoming Carrizo and Carrizo-L APUs at the Consumer Electronics Show this week. Among the new info: AMD has no plans to offer Carrizo as a socketed chip for desktop PCs.
Interesting if true, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make at least some APU desktop models, as they did with Kaveri. I will not be surprised if they forgo a discrete desktop chip again, as they really seem to be committed to the APU/HSA/Mobile concept, so cannot blame them from a business standpoint. More importantly, the "good enough" mindset has essentially completely saturated the consumer desktop marketplace, while at the same time, the marketplace is contracting. That's where the money is, and while prosumer/enthusiast segments like OCN will bemoan a lack of product and tech advancement, the fact is such sectors are a small piece of the pie nowadays. When software catches up to current hardware performance, then we will see real advancements.
They probably don't scale well so mobile only.Originally Posted by maarten12100
The US market is almost completely bribed by Intel. Unless you guys believe that the quality mid segment notebooks that are available here in Europe are not available in the US for other reasons.
Too bad so sad.
Here in NL the HP Pavilion with 1080P screen and A8 6410 goes for as low as 400 euro. The only thing cheaper with 1080P screen able to run windows is some baytrail degenerate laptop. In the US it is hard to come by 1080P AMD laptops and when you see them their prices are above all the offerings by Intel.
As for the article at hand AMD made big claims about efficiency. If they are true Carrizo should do well in mobile (if playing field was level that is)
Still I see no need to not release desktop chips even if they are just packages solderd onto a board and shoved in a desktop case. (too bad for the enthusiast but from a business perspective an ok idea)
This isn't WCCF... Techreport is very reputable, and they're just reporting what AMD told them at CES.Following up on November's official reveal, AMD shared some new details about its upcoming Carrizo and Carrizo-L APUs at the Consumer Electronics Show this week. Among the new info: AMD has no plans to offer Carrizo as a socketed chip for desktop PCs.
Your post doesn't make any sense. You're talking desktop processors, we are talking mobile. What mobile systems lack is a unit that can effectively play desktop games within a long battery life environment. This will essentially give birth to true mobile gaming platforms in laptops. Too bad NVidia didn't have a mark in x86 core technology.Originally Posted by NuclearPeace
To me it looks like AMD is backing themselves into a corner.
Take the i3-4330. It has 4MB of L3$ and the Intel HD 4600, which is essentially the overclocked version of the HD 4400. Right now its $135 on Amazon which puts it cheaper than the 7850K and about the cost of the locked A10-7800.
In both games old and new, the i3 4330 is a proven CPU. http://i3wins.eu5.org/
What happens when Broadwell lands and the hypothetical i3-5330 comes with the Intel HD 6000? Then, the Kaveris will lose ground on their only advantage, which is their GPU speed.
On top of that, the Broadwell i3 will be even faster as a CPU. Even if the gains are small, it means a lot for an i3 which only has 2 cores, limited resources, and no Turbo Boost.
I agree and that is the only reason I felt it was worth posting. However, until its official confirmed by AMD its belongs in the unconfirmed rumors section. We will learn more at the end of February when AMD releases more details on Carrizo at ISSCC 2015.
That would be awesome but it would mean AMD has to create an APU were its highest model isn't stuck in the Budget bracket. This wont happen until AMD has a competitive x86 core design to justify the higher price tag.
Kaveri is equal to last gen i5? Yeah no..Originally Posted by SpeedyVT
Your post doesn't make any sense. You're talking desktop processors, we are talking mobile. What mobile systems lack is a unit that can effectively play desktop games within a long battery life environment. This will essentially give birth to true mobile gaming platforms in laptops. Too bad NVidia didn't have a mark in x86 core technology.
Carizzo is 30% faster than Kaveri in IPC. Kaveri is 20% faster in IPC than Bulldozer. Kaveri is equal to last generation's i3-i5, but has a huge dedicated pipeline to GPUs. So if it's 30% faster it could be something truly revolutionary, especially when HSA is used.
Even in their first Fusion APU, Llano, AMD engineers have expressed a protocol requirement due to memory bandwidth limitation on their integrated gpu. Provided that HSA delivers & igpu is sufficiently bandwidth driven, there is no reason that they might not try replacing the FPU with the gpu entirely which I am eagerly looking forward to. Their atrophied FPUs feel as if they are about to undergo programmed cell death.
Compare to a mobile i5 because he was talking mobile? idk.Originally Posted by MapRef41N93W
Kaveri is equal to last gen i5? Yeah no..
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/288?vs=1200
A two gen old i5 whacking it across the board.
AMD stated 3.5GHz so I don't see how it wouldn't be good enough.
He was talking specifically about IPC. Mobile or desktop it doesn't matter, Kaveri is about 45-50% slower than Haswell in IPC. Kaveri has issues keeping up with Nehalem clock for clock in single threaded apps. Carrizo with a 30% boost over Kaveri would still be slower than Sandy Bridge.Originally Posted by maarten12100
Compare to a mobile i5 because he was talking mobile? idk.
If you was to compare the A8-7600 (45W) versus the desktop i5 sandy with same consumption it would end up being fairly equal.
From a IPC point of view Kaveri isn't close enough yet.
Still this part could rock in mobile.
AMD stated 3.5GHz so I don't see how it wouldn't be good enough.
Yeah that claim seems to be mostly false.Originally Posted by MapRef41N93W
He was talking specifically about IPC. Mobile or desktop it doesn't matter, Kaveri is about 45-50% slower than Haswell in IPC. Kaveri has issues keeping up with Nehalem clock for clock in single threaded apps. Carrizo with a 30% boost over Kaveri would still be slower than Sandy Bridge.
It's 60 to 80%. Floating point workloads is usually 80% differenceOriginally Posted by MapRef41N93W
He was talking specifically about IPC. Mobile or desktop it doesn't matter, Kaveri is about 45-50% slower than Haswell in IPC. Kaveri has issues keeping up with Nehalem clock for clock in single threaded apps. Carrizo with a 30% boost over Kaveri would still be slower than Sandy Bridge.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=191
Kaveri has a slightly higher IPC than FX and 60% is generally recognized as the difference between Haswell and FX.