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Why put all of your eggs in one basket though (mobile)? Even though I known since Kaveri they are going for a power efficiency and mobile first-approach (right on for that!), i'm still not seeing why it can't be released on desktops.

If Carrizo did have delta color compression and literally did nothing else better that would still be a win. The GPU's in APUs don't need to get more powerful because they are being bandwidth bottlenecked. Delta Color compression can make the 512 SP GCN match the R7 250 (384 SPs @ 73.6GB/S).
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Just because Carrizo won't be on desktop doesn't mean Excavator won't. tongue.gif

And no, I don't mean as an 8-core FX part either - I'm thinking more of an iGP-less APU variant, like the 750k, 760k, 860k, etc.

I don't think so. You do realize that th FM Athlons are just the APUs with a disabled iGPU, right? No L3 cache, for example. If the flagships won't reach desktops then you can bet the cut-down chips won't either. I might be wrong. I hope you're wrong too. Could you imagine a four module chip on FM2+? That'd be great!

But it won't happen.
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I don't think so. You do realize that th FM Athlons are just the APUs with a disabled iGPU, right? No L3 cache, for example. If the flagships won't reach desktops then you can bet the cut-down chips won't either. I might be wrong. I hope you're wrong too. Could you imagine a four module chip on FM2+? That'd be great!.

It would seem I wasn't clear enough. What I'm thinking is that these will still be 2 module iGP-less APUs much like the 760k and 860k before it. The thing is, in mobile, the iGP is even more important than it is in desktop, so where is AMD going to dump the APUs with bad iGPs? Certainly not in a mobile device...
 
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I don't know. Athlon + Nvidia GPU wouldn't be awful in a laptop. AMD + Nvidia is a pretty good value for low-end.
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Hmmm @CynicalUnicorn depends if the iGPU is there. Optimus would be really key for battery life.
 
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It think the reason is that AMD can't compete with broadwell in the desktop sector.

AMD next architecture is a completely different story.

Intel's new architecture versus AMD's in 2016.
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Originally Posted by iSlayer View Post

"N-no you guys are just misintepretting us!"

Whoops

Maybe next time shills! rolleyes.gif
I literally said that the claim that Kaveri's IPC is on par with sandy is "mostly false"
I'm not sure whether this was somehow lost in translation because I worded it poorly or because you interpreted it wrong. Either way not what I meant now move along.

What does shill even mean?
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It think the reason is that AMD can't compete with broadwell in the desktop sector.

AMD next architecture is a completely different story.

Intel's new architecture versus AMD's in 2016.

I highly doubt that Zen will be designed to compete in high performance
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I highly doubt that Zen will be designed to compete in high performance

High Performance Mobile? Perhaps. They did state they will be back in x86 servers though. However, that could just mean lots of cores and one die for that application.
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And if there's a big-core die for servers, that probably means they'll trickle down to an enthusiast platform. FM chips were built for mobile and consumer products first, while FX was built for servers first and end-users second.
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