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their server segment does make more money than their desktop segment, its funny that they only have 2% yet they still make more from it.


was that supposed to be sarcasm?
well anyway, thats the first time i've heard of a $400 6c haswell, i've normally seen those chips go for either $500 or $2000.

I guess you haven't heard of the 5820K
http://ark.intel.com/m/products/82932/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
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their server segment does make more money than their desktop segment, its funny that they only have 2% yet they still make more from it.


was that supposed to be sarcasm?
well anyway, thats the first time i've heard of a $400 6c haswell, i've normally seen those chips go for either $500 or $2000.

I guess you haven't heard of the 5820K
http://ark.intel.com/m/products/82932/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz

hmm, i wasn't aware that it was supposed to be $400 MSRP, i've only seen 5820K retail for $500+ for some reason.
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Processors are not significantly any better yet, I'm quite fine with waiting till a really good desktop one comes out. AMD needs the mobile market to stimulate our enthusiast market for a later date.

Are you really ready for Skylake i5 this year to be 20% faster for video encoding (8+ threaded task) than AMD's fastest CPU on the market? While simultaneously being what, 70, 80% faster singlethreaded?

I didn't expect them to throw up a 10 thread excavator CPU and try to compete on multithreaded performance any more; but the APU market? Low end desktop, HSA, cmon they need to release something. There's a huge difference between abandoning the upper mid to high end desktop market, and completely abandoning the desktop market.
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hmm, i wasn't aware that it was supposed to be $400 MSRP, i've only seen 5820K retail for $500+ for some reason.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k

needs a kinda expensive mobo as well as a couple of ddr4 sticks to run, but it's about 75% faster for encoding than piledriver 8-thread CPU assuming a 300mhz clock speed deficit for the 5820k so it's nice that it exists
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if they weren't exaggerating with their skylake numbers that is, it would be their best release in quite a while.
i mean 20% friggin percent, even if we factor in broadwell going in between haswell and skylake, thats still a large increase.
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hmm, i wasn't aware that it was supposed to be $400 MSRP, i've only seen 5820K retail for $500+ for some reason.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k

needs a kinda expensive mobo as well as a couple of ddr4 sticks to run, but it's about 75% faster for encoding than piledriver 8-thread CPU assuming a 300mhz clock speed deficit for the 5820k so it's nice that it exists

must have been my local market then, though seeing it hit $300 in the US makes me jealous.
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if they weren't exaggerating with their skylake numbers that is, it would be their best release in quite a while.
i mean 20% friggin percent, even if we factor in broadwell going in between haswell and skylake, thats still a large increase.

They don't really have to exaggerate. Look at Core 2 to Nehalem, Nehalem to Sandy Bridge, Sandy Bridge to Haswell.

Haswell had 20% IPC gains over sandy for video encoding - sure, pushed OC suffered a bit, so actual performance gain was more like 15% there, 10% in other loads - but that was universally called one of the worst releases in recent history. +20% from Skylake over Haswell shouldn't be a completely ridiculous thing to hope for. If they miss, it won't be by far.
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First no Steamroller for AM3+, and now no Excavator for desktops? What.

This is how I feel. I invested in the FM2+ platform back when I built my first PC, and honestly i'm not really impressed with the performance so far. Of course, I bought a $75 CPU, but I have somehow used up all the life of this CPU (finding hitches within my normal day to day tasks, dipping FPS in games, ect ect). I own the 750k, and I saw the benchmarks for the Kaveri CPUs and it wasn't a MAJOR performance update I was hoping for. Now, we get word about AMD just ditching the Desktop Socket for this dye release, my question is, what is AMD going to bring for the table for desktop. Yes, the laptop and mobile industry is VERY important for AMD, but focusing on Desktop users and power users is nice too *cough cough*

Maybe some people will agree with me if they went with the FM2+ platform, but either AMD brings something nice to the table, or i'll start saving my pennies and get an i5.

I kinda feel sad for AMD really, because Intel has been leap-frogging them for YEARS and they really haven't done much to counter-attack or shock the public.
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Intel is being very benevolent with their total monopoly of upper consumer parts and HEDT parts. We could be paying a LOT more since AMD has virtually thrown in the towel in both of those markets. Unfortunately we are at Intel's mercy at this point and I don't forsee that changing unless a major shift happens at AMD (Something like Samsung buying them and investing the R and D AMD needs.) I just don't see that happening either.


My 2600k is still rocking but it's starting to show it's age a little. I can probably make it another 2 years with an overclock and then it will be time to move to x99. I can't believe this chip has lasted me almost 4 years already. That's the second longest I've ever had a chip. The longest I ever had a chip was my Athlon 64 chip which lasted me from 2004 to 2008.


This announcement proves that AMD is letting off of the gas pedal in desktop and focusing on mobile. That's probably smart for their company but it's bad for us as consumers.I think we're forgetting that Piledriver was released 32 months ago.
 
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I think we're forgetting that Piledriver was released 32 months ago.

Wow. I didn't know that.
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Carrizo will at least be doing 3.5GHz according to the slides and seems to be a great part for mobile. If it doesn't scale beyond 3.5GHz that would mean releasing it on desktop would give a on the cpu side worse performing part that Kaveri. And since Kaveri is already cpu bottlenecked or bandwidth bottlenecked there would be no point. Still I think we will still see it because it was said earlier that dropping in Carrizo in a FM2+ would disable the integrated on die FCH (former south bridge).

Looking forward to some actual numbers mad.gif
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Not talking iGPU, Carrizo has like 30% gains in IPC, but it probably doesn't scale as well at higher clocks so it's irrelevant to market it if no one is going to buy it and it isn't any better than their previous.
I know you weren't, we stopped talking about the IPC piece. I was talking about Intel's anemic iGPUs and efforts to bolster those pathetic things.
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Are you really ready for Skylake i5 this year to be 20% faster for video encoding (8+ threaded task) than AMD's fastest CPU on the market? While simultaneously being what, 70, 80% faster singlethreaded?

I didn't expect them to throw up a 10 thread excavator CPU and try to compete on multithreaded performance any more; but the APU market? Low end desktop, HSA, cmon they need to release something. There's a huge difference between abandoning the upper mid to high end desktop market, and completely abandoning the desktop market.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k

needs a kinda expensive mobo as well as a couple of ddr4 sticks to run, but it's about 75% faster for encoding than piledriver 8-thread CPU assuming a 300mhz clock speed deficit for the 5820k so it's nice that it exists
HSA solves problems that don't exist while simultaneously being near impossible for AMD to make relevant.
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Carrizo will at least be doing 3.5GHz according to the slides and seems to be a great part for mobile. If it doesn't scale beyond 3.5GHz that would mean releasing it on desktop would give a on the cpu side worse performing part that Kaveri. And since Kaveri is already cpu bottlenecked or bandwidth bottlenecked there would be no point. Still I think we will still see it because it was said earlier that dropping in Carrizo in a FM2+ would disable the integrated on die FCH (former south bridge).

Looking forward to some actual numbers mad.gif
Isn't carrizo going backwards on frequency even with its IPC games? Or was that Kaveri? 3.5GHz sounds admirable for a mobile part.
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