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Memory timings / XMP Profile doesn't load properly

post #1 of 19
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Memory: Team Xtreme 16GB (2 x 8GB) 2400 (PC3 19200) Model TXD316G2400HC10QDC01
Motherboard: AsRock Z77 Pro3 (Supports up to 2800+(OC))

I set XMP Settings to XMP 1.3 Profile 1 (10-12-12-31 1.65V) and ran Memtest to find the timing was still the defaults of my Motherboard (8-9-9-24), even though in the BIOS it says "XMP 1.3 Profile 1 10-12-12-31" ... but when I go into DRAM Configuration, I see everything is set to Auto and the only way to change them in this page of the BIOS is manually, even though I set the XMP Profile already, that doesn't work.
I believe I am going to need all the correct XMP timing values not just the first 4:

CAS# Latency (tCL) 8 Auto
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 9 Auto
Row Precharge Time (tRP) 9 Auto
RAS# Active Time (tRAS) 24 Auto
Command Rate (CR) 2N Auto
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 14 Auto
Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 235 Auto
RAS to RAS Delay (tRRD) 7 Auto
Write to Read Delay (tWTR) 7 Auto
Read to Precharge (tRTP) 7 Auto
Four Active Window (tFAW) 23 Auto
CAS Write Latency (tCWL) 8 Auto
ODT WR (CHA) Auto (60 / 120) Auto
ODT WR (CHB) Auto (60 / 120) Auto
ODT NOM (CHA) Auto (20 / 30 / 40 / 60 / 120) Auto
ODT NOM (CHB) Auto (20 / 30 / 40 / 60 / 120) Auto
MRC Fast Boot ENABLED (Enable / Disable)

I've entered the first 4 numbers (10-12-12-31) but I still can't budge past 1800 MHz not even 1866, so if changing those numbers so drastically (from 8-9-9-24 to 10-12-12-31) will not allow me to change the speed at all, then I think I need the rest of the timings I mentioned above.

I have no idea why the XMP settings wont load, but I wished there was some way to find out what the other timings would be in the XMP profile.

Can anyone help me?
Edited by McDug - 1/10/15 at 12:29pm
post #2 of 19
You should be able to manually set the first four and command rate, everything else on auto. You may (probably will) have to change the NB too to handle the faster memory speed..
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post #3 of 19
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What should I change the Command Rate to?
(I couldn't find any info on this on the memory package or online)
And what should I do in the NB?
(I assume you mean North Bridge Config)
Here is a link to the North Bridge Config settings for my Motherboard:
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/438990/Asrock-Z77-Pro3.html?page=53#manual

I really appreciate your help, and I hope you can answer my questions, smile.gif
But most of all I am looking for someone who has the same memory so I can copy their settings from the XMP Profile because mine will not load at all.
Thanks again,
McDug
Edited by McDug - 1/10/15 at 5:34pm
post #4 of 19
First off, XMP Profiles are the memory manufacturer's guess at what will work, and they don't even know if you're using an AMD CPU or and Intel CPU, much less the rest of the components you have.

Change the Command Rate to the one that works. 2T is faster but more stress, 1T is sometimes slower, but always less stress.

When you see this "CAS# Latency (tCL) 8 Auto" in your BIOS it means that the CAS timing has been automatically set to 8.

Can you post a CPU-Z screen shot of what you see in both the "Memory" tab and the "SPD" tab?
That way we can see what you're actually doing and work from there.
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post #5 of 19
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Okay, I see the Command Rate in CPU-Z says 2T, and you said that is faster but is more stress.
But what will be more stressed? (the Memory or the motherboard or both?)
Will it still be stressed if the temperatures are all low? If so, like how much stress? (What would be the consequinces?)
I am attaching a copy of CPU-Z Memory and SPD tabs, as well as temperatures from CPUID HardWareMonitor:
Note, CPU-Z shows the memory as PC3-10700 when it is really PC3-19200, my only guess is because it is running slower than it should be.




Thanks again for all the help.
Edited by McDug - 1/10/15 at 9:07pm
post #6 of 19
I'd try manually adding these timings and this voltage. Set all the other timings to Auto.

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post #7 of 19
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I am unable to use all those entries.

Command Rate (CR) only accepts values of 1 or 2
It will not accept 2N or 1N as user entries but when entering 1 or 2, the value beside "Command Rate" changes to 1N or 2N.
It does not accept 1N, 2N, 1T, or 2T.

I do not have a tRC option, the closest thing to that is tRFC (Refresh Cycle Time) at a value of 235 (a huge leap from 44 in the SPD).
post #8 of 19
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I am unable to use all those entries.

Command Rate (CR) only accepts values of 1 or 2
It will not accept 2N or 1N as user entries but when entering 1 or 2, the value beside "Command Rate" changes to 1N or 2N.
It does not accept 1N, 2N, 1T, or 2T.

I do not have a tRC option, the closest thing to that is tRFC (Refresh Cycle Time) at a value of 235 (a huge leap from 44 in the SPD).

Yes 1 and 2 are the only choices for the Command Rate.
Don't "guess" ay timings. If you don't know a timing just set those to auto.
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post #9 of 19
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Okay, well with those settings, I am still unable to get anything past 1800 MHz.
Before you told me not to guess at anything, I was gonna try and lower my timings one entry and one step at a time to see if I could get it faster that way since I can't raise the MHz.
I guess I'm stuck at 1800 unless anyone can think of anything else?
Thanks for all your help man, I really appreciate it.
post #10 of 19
No, you want to raise the timings (higher numerically) when you run faster speeds.

When you say you can't get over 1800 what speed is your CPU at and what actually happens, lockup, BSOD????
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