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Hi

Recently I was considering upgrading my line to 1gbit connection.
The easiest way would be buying 2 1gbit switches but I'm considering something other.
Koliber is running 24/7 so I was thinking about using it to replace the first switch. Second NIC is about 50% cheaper than the cheapest gigabit switch.
To sum up. I want to go from this:

To this

by using Koliber as a passthrough.
I want to get internet and data transfer over this connection. The ability to connect to other PC's(behind the Koliber NAS,so the rig owned by brother and PS3) would be good but it's not necessary.

Is it possible ?

Also are there any issues that might show up with this method ? Like for example issues with stuff like hamachi or online games ?
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Why not hang the NAS off of the switch?
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Why not hang the NAS off of the switch?
Because the NAS creates noise which means that I won't be able to sleep.
The Switch is connected to the router through 15M long cable.

GROM,Iskra, 10/100 switch -my room
Router,PC owned by brother,PS3,Koliber - room on the other side of the house

That's how the network kind of looks like:

Also a link for zoom:
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/16/16b9dbd4_Network3.png
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Having multiple switches in one small network like that is never a good idea. You can actually create switching loops that just trash your entire network - basically packets just get sent back and forth between the switches over and over, creating a network storm. Even in large deployments you want to avoid switch usage as much as possible, and want to try your best to bring all communications back to one localized switch/routing system.

If the NAS noise is an issue, locate it somewhere else in the house and run a dedicated line to it, and each device on the network. Do not drop multiple switches on the network.
    
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Would it be that difficult to run 2 dedicated lines from the main switch to your computers?
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Having multiple switches in one small network like that is never a good idea. You can actually create switching loops that just trash your entire network - basically packets just get sent back and forth between the switches over and over, creating a network storm. Even in large deployments you want to avoid switch usage as much as possible, and want to try your best to bring all communications back to one localized switch/routing system.

If the NAS noise is an issue, locate it somewhere else in the house and run a dedicated line to it, and each device on the network. Do not drop multiple switches on the network.
As you can see the NAS is located next to the router so the noise is not able to reach my room.

I'm just trying to cut down the costs of this network upgrade.
I'm considering 3 options for this network upgrade:
-2x Gigabit switch in serial-Route would be: Router-Cable-Switch #1-Cable-Switch #2-Iskra/GROM (medium)
-Gigabit router+gigabit switch (expensive)
-Koliber as "relay" by adding second Gigabit NIC+Gigabit switch.Route would be: Router-cable-Koliber-cable-Switch-Iskra/GROM (cheap)

I'm trying to avoid the route #2 as I'm using ADSL connection and many routers don't have this so either 2 routers,one as modem,second as router or router + separate ADSL modem.
Also I would have to reconfigure the ADSL connection which creates some problems.
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Would it be that difficult to run 2 dedicated lines from the main switch to your computers?
The line that goes to my room is running on the floor,uncovered.
Also I may add a third PC in my room so I would have to run a third line for that.
This creates additional costs as well.
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Run a dedicated line to your nas wherever you need it and leave it at that.
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As you can see the NAS is located next to the router so the noise is not able to reach my room.

I'm just trying to cut down the costs of this network upgrade.
I'm considering 3 options for this network upgrade:
-2x Gigabit switch in serial-Route would be: Router-Cable-Switch #1-Cable-Switch #2-Iskra/GROM (medium)
-Gigabit router+gigabit switch (expensive)
-Koliber as "relay" by adding second Gigabit NIC+Gigabit switch.Route would be: Router-cable-Koliber-cable-Switch-Iskra/GROM (cheap)

I'm trying to avoid the route #2 as I'm using ADSL connection and many routers don't have this so either 2 routers,one as modem,second as router or router + separate ADSL modem.
Also I would have to reconfigure the ADSL connection which creates some problems.
The line that goes to my room is running on the floor,uncovered.
Also I may add a third PC in my room so I would have to run a third line for that.
This creates additional costs as well.

I have 3 different switch units on my network and i have little to no issues. I have a netgear router providing DHCP, no wireless. A buffalo AC1200 unit providing Wireless, NO DHCP (obviously), and an 8 port gigabit switch. With such a small network I would say your proposed solution of having the main switch feeding everything including your NAS, and a secondary switch feeding your 2 PCs should work just fine. This is just talking from my experiences with my small home network which consists of My pc, Girlfriends PC, HTPC, family PC, Plex/Teamspeak/File Server, 2 Laptops and 2 mobile phones. Gigabit switches are cheap enough, if that is the only thing you have to add in to get it how you want it i would say go for it.

EDIT: all my devices are gigabit smile.gif
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the issue I see is the the secondary switch hanging off of the NAS. That can't be a good idea, and everything I have learned over the years say don't do it. Essentially you will end up having the NAS having two layer 3 addresses and two layer 2 on the network which could cause havoc on the network. If you an run a dedicated line to the NAS and then another dedicated line to the second switch. Just make sure you use a cross over cable between the two switches, or ensure Auto MDX is supported on both switches.
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TP-Link TL-SG1005D should be OK for this job ?

Also I was considering something different as I said in the first post.
For example Windows has internet sharing which means It can share the internet connection with other computers.
So if freenas has this option then I could actually create 2 networks where NAS would be an internet gate for the second network.
There's no need for connection between computers on net#1 and net#2.Only thing actually needed is that all the computers must have access to NAS shared HDD's and internet.

In such case would it be possbile to recreate the setup like this ?

Asking just in case. The fact that router is 100mbps max won't make the gigabit switch run all ports on 100mbps speed ? Better safe than sorry.
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Originally Posted by Pawelr98 View Post

TP-Link TL-SG1005D should be OK for this job ?

Also I was considering something different as I said in the first post.
For example Windows has internet sharing which means It can share the internet connection with other computers.
So if freenas has this option then I could actually create 2 networks where NAS would be an internet gate for the second network.
There's no need for connection between computers on net#1 and net#2.Only thing actually needed is that all the computers must have access to NAS shared HDD's and internet.

In such case would it be possbile to recreate the setup like this ?

Asking just in case. The fact that router is 100mbps max won't make it run all ports on 100mbps speed ? Better safe than sorry.

I avoid TP-Link products like they are death.
    
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