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Nice work. In before fanboys scream what about Starcraft2 and WoW??!?! Or Why you no bench at 800x600??!?
    
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Good work! Very interesting.

I would also like to see comparison using the same gpu though, the 290x is only $10 more so anyone looking to buy a similar rig would probably look to that, but I would be interested to see what difference the cpu is actually making in games as opposed to the gpu.

Great job so far though.
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Mdocod or whatever his name is saying a i3/i5 better at lower resolutions and settings. Who wants a i5+750ti/260x when you could have a fx6/8+770/280x for less cost and get better gaming plus extra cores for encoding. Who wants to game at 800*600 low/med settings just so you can go Intel. I have first hand proof the fx+better GPU is a better option.
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Mdocod or whatever his name is saying a i3/i5 better at lower resolutions and settings. Who wants a i5+750ti/260x when you could have a fx6/8+770/280x for less cost and get better gaming plus extra cores for encoding. Who wants to game at 800*600 low/med settings just so you can go Intel. I have first hand proof the fx+better GPU is a better option.

It's all going to go back to how you use your rig. I share a similar view point as you do, for gaming there are situations and users are much better served by spending the money on GPU rather than cpu.

The results of your effort speak towards this, and people looking at upgrades would do well to pay attention to the message here thumb.gif
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Your using. A r9 290 in the amd system, and a crappier 280x on the intel and it barley looses to the amd? Put that 290 in the intel system and the amd will go bye bye. And why are you gimping the intel system with 280x since the price difference is only $10 between the 280x and 290?
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This is probably all I will do since there doesn't seem to be much interest.

There's definitely interest, it's just unfortunately not as outspoken as others is all.

It's actually really interesting to see from a similar budget aspect, and not solely the X GPU+Y CPU Vs X GPU+Z CPU routines we often see.

Also, this'll be invaluable knowledge for anyone searching for a similar question, people aren't just upgrading their rigs now with this setup in mind, they'll be doing so for up to four or five years I imagine.

Greatly appreciate you taking your time to compile and share this information with us mate, thanks. thumb.gif
 
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Your using. A r9 290 in the amd system, and a crappier 280x on the intel and it barley looses to the amd? Put that 290 in the intel system and the amd will go bye bye. And why are you gimping the intel system with 280x since the price difference is only $10 between the 280x and 290?

The fact a new i5 costs up to $100 more than a fx8. If on a budget you have to choose a fx8+$100 better GPU or i5-$100 GPU. My comparison uses a GPU less than $50 apart in price. I could take a fx8+gtx970 vs a i5+r280 and still be spending same on the build. Intel gimps the GPU in budget builds due to their cost. The entire point of this comparison.

Thanks to those encouraging comments. I may swap the 290 and 280x and rerun the benches. The i5 is on a fresh install. The fx8 has the same OS as when I was mining.
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One thing that people in this thread aren't paying attention to, however, is the minimum framerates of the games that Cravin has run. There is quite a big difference on average between the two. The FX-8350 is seemingly getting better averages/highs across the games that he tested, but the i5 is currently getting the better minimums. Averages don't determine a game's smoothness. Minimums do. Intel does have that advantage, despite the severe difference in sheer graphics horsepower.

 

 

Still, it does show that the FX CPUs are perfectly solid performers. But his testing does prove that despite GPU differences, the CPU does make a noticeable difference.

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The fact a new i5 costs up to $100 more than a fx8. If on a budget you have to choose a fx8+$100 better GPU or i5-$100 GPU. My comparison uses a GPU less than $50 apart in price. I could take a fx8+gtx970 vs a i5+r280 and still be spending same on the build. Intel gimps the GPU in budget builds due to their cost. The entire point of this comparison.

Thanks to those encouraging comments. I may swap the 290 and 280x and rerun the benches. The i5 is on a fresh install. The fx8 has the same OS as when I was mining.

well it's news or anything everybody knows. I was going to suggest swapping the gpus when you first posted this thread, but was interested in the results none the less.
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One thing that people in this thread aren't paying attention to, however, is the minimum framerates of the games that Cravin has run. There is quite a big difference on average between the two. The FX-8350 is seemingly getting better averages/highs across the games that he tested, but the i5 is currently getting the better minimums. Averages don't determine a game's smoothness. Minimums do. Intel does have that advantage, despite the severe difference in sheer graphics horsepower.


Still, it does show that the FX CPUs are perfectly solid performers. But his testing does prove that despite GPU differences, the CPU does make a noticeable difference.

the AMD setup is still faster, but I agree. I noticed this early on when some benches weren't showing as big a gap as expected given the average difference between the 280X and 290 under the same conditions. still, his thread's intention is to explore a real world scenario, that being building two systems in the same price range and comparing their relative gaming performance.
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Hardly, its good if you're going to build a rig with no previous parts (or parts that could be used on both eg RAM, PSU case w/e) and have a budget to stick to, iot shows for gaming that going AMD is better.

If however you upgrade as most people do eg the CPU almost never (my CPU has lasted 2 years and is no where near slow, and I dont see why any 6/8 core AMD processor or i5K sandy+ won't last at least another 2 years if not longer without hindering GPU performance more than say 5%) and a GPU much more regularly, like myself, then yes this isn't as useful, but its a good thread to show new people who ask whether they have to go intel, as the answer is clearly no there is almost nop difference when it comes to gaming.

Hardly what? Switching those parts out the systems would still be at around same price point, then instead of a 290 vs a 280x its a 290 vs 970. Showing a bunch of GPU benchmarks for a 290 vs a 280x on a CPU thread is /facepalm.

And this people saying the amd system gpu benchmarks are higher cuz the CPU, when its clearly because the 290 is ~19% faster then the 280x. FACT>

I could see this devolving rather quickly , let's not go an unfortunate direction here. CravinR1 has went to quite a bit of effort to demonstrate the differences in performance of 2 systems at a given budget, judging how well this information applies to a forum readers situation is up to that individual. This could be a big help to someone in a similar situation, that's the take away here.

Any enthusiast should applaud his efforts, regardless of their own personal viewpoint.
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