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gaming @ 1080p, some title may be bottle necked, other may not be.

Gaming @ 1440p, bottlenecking becomes less of an issue, Ya there may still be bottlenecks but you still can get quite playable frame rates. can max some games out still but you starting to get into a pixel count that starts to need more then one gpu with extremely high detail.

gaming @4k, this is gpu bound territory so no there will not be much of a bottle neck, but you will need more then one card for playable frame rates in demanding games.
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you are referring to the 425W psu, right? don't risk running a 290 off that. i know. i own 2.

I'll second that.....

430 Watt Thermaltake VR2 ( a known bummer of a PSU I know) couldn't handle an x4 propus @ 1.5v and a 7950 stock at all.


Threw in a nicer 450W Antec, and the overclocked propus @ 3.6GHz, and 20% power limiter on 7950 bring it to it's knees!!!

I blew up a decent 700w (OCZ GameExreme) PSU (mind you it was getting old) with my overclocked thuban and overclocked 290.
That PSU did great with my 280x, even highly overclocked, but once 50% power limiter on the 290 came into the equation, it ran for two days, and popped on me.....

Unless you are running sub 95w CPU at stock, and GPU at stock clock/voltage also, 425W will not cut it.... not for long anyways!
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you are referring to the 425W psu, right? don't risk running a 290 off that. i know. i own 2.
I'm sorry, I didn't get you: would you mind to rephrase? Have you two 425, or two 290? redface.gif
    
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Crysis 2 indeed supports up to 6 Threads.that benchmark maye.was done with the non high res texture

Interesting, I just played the beginning and noticed it was using 4 cores though, but I do stand corrected it is multi threaded

Claiming that the game uses 6 cores doesn't mean it'll use 6 cores all the time. Far Cry 3 was a game that was supposed to scale to many cores. However, from my experience, it didn't always do it. In situations where I was doing something like swimming across a huge mass of water, it would use one core and run at like 15fps. Which is why I'm sceptical of a lot of CPU gaming reviews. You can pick and choose parts that are multi-threaded or not. It always seems to me, though, that the more that's going on on screen, the more cores it takes. Swimming across an empty ocean isn't a whole lot of stuff on screen. Running through jungle come to a base is. So is 64 player BF4 as opposed to single player.
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gaming @ 1080p, some title may be bottle necked, other may not be.

Gaming @ 1440p, bottlenecking becomes less of an issue, Ya there may still be bottlenecks but you still can get quite playable frame rates. can max some games out still but you starting to get into a pixel count that starts to need more then one gpu with extremely high detail.

gaming @4k, this is gpu bound territory so no there will not be much of a bottle neck, but you will need more then one card for playable frame rates in demanding games.

I agree with this 100%. But the thing is you're going to have a lot more enjoyable experience with 1440p than at 1080p. I have begun to notice a trend with Intel + Nvidia people (not all of them, mind you), boasting about FPS and bar graphs while gaming on awful screens.

Aside from my little off-topic rant, I have been playing BF4 a bit on my FX 8350 + 1.3ghz 7970 with Mantle. I also play with a friend with 3930k + stock 7970 and 3820 + GTX 680. Both of them are 1080p and I'm at 1440p. Aside from having to listen to him bash my AMD system, I get better frame rate at higher settings when I'm full blown overclocked.

As for core usage, I see basically 6 to 8 threads getting used heavily when doing large multiplayer maps, even at 5.1ghz. EDIT: but it's not enough to get it hot and worked up. I bumped up to 1.66v just because I can and someone else with an FX has done it for years. The CPU stays under-used enough to hover in low 60c range when playing BF4 multiplayer on a big map. When really stressing it at that voltage, it breaks 80c. So it's not being pushed overly hard.

FX 8320 with a nice monitor is going to give you a way better result gaming than spending more on an Intel CPU and gaming on a cheesy monitor. My Intel + Nvidia friend kept giving me grief over having a full AMD system. But once I started poking fun at giant pixels on his 42in 1080p TV he uses as a monitor he stopped, lol.

I think people don't realize how bad LCD are and how bad cheap ones are. I have a 10+ year old CRT and booting into terminal and watching text scroll by really fast and having it be not blurred was amazing. People under-estimate the value of a good monitor, a lot.

Also, Mantle is way smoother for some reason. I can run BF4 on full ultra minus AA and post processing on medium. High settings and the frame rate has drops (I only want 60+ all the time). To be honest though, it's difficult to tell when it drops sub 60fps, but if it drops enough I feel it.

Yes FX is a problem in games like SC2. Luckily I don't care for SC2 because every match is just a race to do the same thing faster than the other person, find out what they're doing, and then counter it.

In the sub $200 range, moar coars works very well. I don't know how well I'd trust an FX 6000 series judging by the core usage I see in BF4 multiplayer, but a cheap FX 8300 series should be perfectly fine.
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Claiming that the game uses 6 cores doesn't mean it'll use 6 cores all the time. Far Cry 3 was a game that was supposed to scale to many cores. However, from my experience, it didn't always do it. In situations where I was doing something like swimming across a huge mass of water, it would use one core and run at like 15fps. Which is why I'm sceptical of a lot of CPU gaming reviews. You can pick and choose parts that are multi-threaded or not. It always seems to me, though, that the more that's going on on screen, the more cores it takes. Swimming across an empty ocean isn't a whole lot of stuff on screen. Running through jungle come to a base is. So is 64 player BF4 as opposed to single player.
I agree with this 100%. But the thing is you're going to have a lot more enjoyable experience with 1440p than at 1080p. I have begun to notice a trend with Intel + Nvidia people (not all of them, mind you), boasting about FPS and bar graphs while gaming on awful screens.

Aside from my little off-topic rant, I have been playing BF4 a bit on my FX 8350 + 1.3ghz 7970 with Mantle. I also play with a friend with 3930k + stock 7970 and 3820 + GTX 680. Both of them are 1080p and I'm at 1440p. Aside from having to listen to him bash my AMD system, I get better frame rate at higher settings when I'm full blown overclocked.

As for core usage, I see basically 6 to 8 threads getting used heavily when doing large multiplayer maps, even at 5.1ghz. EDIT: but it's not enough to get it hot and worked up. I bumped up to 1.66v just because I can and someone else with an FX has done it for years. The CPU stays under-used enough to hover in low 60c range when playing BF4 multiplayer on a big map. When really stressing it at that voltage, it breaks 80c. So it's not being pushed overly hard.

FX 8320 with a nice monitor is going to give you a way better result gaming than spending more on an Intel CPU and gaming on a cheesy monitor. My Intel + Nvidia friend kept giving me grief over having a full AMD system. But once I started poking fun at giant pixels on his 42in 1080p TV he uses as a monitor he stopped, lol.

I think people don't realize how bad LCD are and how bad cheap ones are. I have a 10+ year old CRT and booting into terminal and watching text scroll by really fast and having it be not blurred was amazing. People under-estimate the value of a good monitor, a lot.

Also, Mantle is way smoother for some reason. I can run BF4 on full ultra minus AA and post processing on medium. High settings and the frame rate has drops (I only want 60+ all the time). To be honest though, it's difficult to tell when it drops sub 60fps, but if it drops enough I feel it.

Yes FX is a problem in games like SC2. Luckily I don't care for SC2 because every match is just a race to do the same thing faster than the other person, find out what they're doing, and then counter it.

In the sub $200 range, moar coars works very well. I don't know how well I'd trust an FX 6000 series judging by the core usage I see in BF4 multiplayer, but a cheap FX 8300 series should be perfectly fine.

I tested the game and the average usage were 6 threads .the same threads on CPU bound scenarios wink.gif


Edited by PontiacGTX - 1/13/15 at 12:00pm
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I tested the game and the average usage were 6 threads .the same threads on CPU bound scenarios wink.gif
Question is, what was the total CPU usage? Per-core resource monitoring isn't accurate.
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Question is, what was the total CPU usage? Per-core resource monitoring isn't accurate.



and I didnt was using windows to measure the usage per core



the performance was still better with more threads

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Was that tested on your i7? Also, HT wasn't being used like that lol. Pretty sure you know that too.

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Was that tested on your i7? Also, HT wasn't being used like that lol. Pretty sure you know that too.
It was being used. if it wouldnt I didnt have a higher minimum. the FPS werent noticables because the 60Hz but the FPS were indeed higher. by 5 to 10fps
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I'm sorry, I didn't get you: would you mind to rephrase? Have you two 425, or two 290? redface.gif

i would not even feed the 970 with that psu(if that is your psu). when psu goes . . . it might take other components with it . . . like a brand new 970.
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