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Poll Results: What OS will you upgrade to after Windows 7?

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    Linux
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The start menu. Sorry I could resist. smile.gif

Oh, you mean the start menu that had several 100% free options for ones that functioned identically to Windows 7's, available for download before Windows 8 even was released? Or do you mean the revised start menu which became a start screen and was included by default, no longer requiring you to stare at a tiny fraction of your screen to navigate?

I just wanted it to be funny, but me personally, I have been using Start8 this entire time. Windows 8 / 8.1 will never be enterprise solutions though...
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Well, I guess W7 is starting to show its wrinkles now. Nothing new here, since we've had similar things like this occur in the past.

To branch out a bit, I really hope that 10 will be a worthy upgrade for us 7 guys. I've tried to get used to 8/8.1 about a dozen times now, and I just can't do it. I could waste my time making a long post criticizing it summarizing my experiences, but my conclusion isn't going to change, and I believe that applies to others like me. 8 just won't work for me, and it never will. If 10 disappoints as well, then I'm likely going to stick with 7 again or jump ship to Linux and dual-boot 10 whenever I want to game.

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

As everyone and their dog who liked the old version of the start button better posted day 1, that's all you needed. Windows 8/8.1 functions the same otherwise on the desktop as 7 did in terms of interface, no "getting used to" it needed thumb.gif .
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Well, I guess W7 is starting to show its wrinkles now. Nothing new here, since we've had similar things like this occur in the past.

To branch out a bit, I really hope that 10 will be a worthy upgrade for us 7 guys. I've tried to get used to 8/8.1 about a dozen times now, and I just can't do it. I could take my time making a long post criticizing it summarizing my experiences, but my conclusion isn't going to change, and I believe that applies to others like me. 8 just won't work for me, and it never will. If 10 disappoints as well, then I'm likely going to stick with 7 again or jump ship to Linux and dual-boot 10 whenever I want to game. Well, I guess I could also dual-boot 7 and 10.

While I can respect that you don't want to take the time to write a long post outlining what you don't like, I would really love it if someone would. I completely understand there are a billion and one uses for a computer other than the ones I partake in, so I guess I keep harping on this because I really would like to understand in what cases/uses it simply doesn't work and why.

I would say W10 will be a great upgrade, but then again I thought 8.1 was a pretty good upgrade.
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Linux.

All the software I need is working now on Linux. I've been trying to jump the ship but a couple of programs wouldn't let me leave Windows forever, not anymore.

Bai bai MS. You won't be missed.

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lachen.gif You probably don't do much but browse Facebook, then, I suppose, because the vast majority of productivity applications don't work with Linux, and its gaming support is just this side of none. Try writing back once you're actually using your PC for more than a basic smartphone can handle, and want to run programs like MS Office, 3ds Max, Allegorithmic Substance programs, OneNote, Photoshop, Visual Studio, or heck, even Bluray disc playback tongue.gif .

I don't browse facebook. Define "vast majority of productivity applications." More than half of my steam games ( plus other non-steam games ) work on linux. I use my PC for more than a basic smartphone. Why bother trying to run M$ office when I already have libreoffice? iirc, CAD programs don't support win8 either, Please prove me wrong here. It seems like Allegorithmic is planning on porting their software to linux. Oh yeah because everyone needs to have note-taking software, it's nothing notepad can't handle. GIMP is certainly no photoshop, but it can do the job. Visual Studio for linux is a possibility actually, they're Open-Sourcing .NET after all. And this looks quite promising. Bluray disk playback? Win8/8.1/10 are able to play it out of the box too are they? no? Well with a little work, Bluray disc playback is very much doable in linux.
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http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

As everyone and their dog who liked the old version of the start button better posted day 1, that's all you needed. Windows 8/8.1 functions the same otherwise on the desktop as 7 did in terms of interface, no "getting used to" it needed thumb.gif .

Tried it, didn't sway me. I've used basically every shell replacement under the sun, every tip and trick in your typical "make your windows 8 like 7" article and while they work, it's the underlying things in 8 that piss me off, not the explorer shell. And for how I use my computer, those little things add up. At the end of the day, I just reflect on my experiences and find that 7 offers everything that I want in an OS without the mountain of nitpicks that 8 has for me. Therefore, I go back to 7 and be happy. Hell, I use Classic Shell in 7 because I like a Windows XP style all-programs layout. If someone were to hack DX12 into 7, I can confidently say that I would never even consider upgrading to 10.

Yeah, 8 and 10 are newer OS's, but you don't need the latest and greatest to browse the internet, so to say. 7 does what I need it to do. It looks like I'm reliving my XP experiences again, haha.
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Well, I guess W7 is starting to show its wrinkles now. Nothing new here, since we've had similar things like this occur in the past.

To branch out a bit, I really hope that 10 will be a worthy upgrade for us 7 guys. I've tried to get used to 8/8.1 about a dozen times now, and I just can't do it. I could take my time making a long post criticizing it summarizing my experiences, but my conclusion isn't going to change, and I believe that applies to others like me. 8 just won't work for me, and it never will. If 10 disappoints as well, then I'm likely going to stick with 7 again or jump ship to Linux and dual-boot 10 whenever I want to game. Well, I guess I could also dual-boot 7 and 10.

While I can respect that you don't want to take the time to write a long post outlining what you don't like, I would really love it if someone would. I completely understand there are a billion and one uses for a computer other than the ones I partake in, so I guess I keep harping on this because I really would like to understand in what cases/uses it simply doesn't work and why.

I would say W10 will be a great upgrade, but then again I thought 8.1 was a pretty good upgrade.

Some really big ones for me:
  • Never being a proper Administrator, really important for getting in the nitty gritty of your OS and registry.
  • Registry or Local Security policy changes necessary to truly disable UAC and it's associated sandbox/virtualization. Half of MetroUI is unusable after this is done.
  • Semi-documented changes in file security that essentially leave you guessing on file servers at times.
  • An extra 100~200MB of VRAM utilization, to host MetroUI and its flashy gimmicks.
  • Desktop shell runs as an application inside the MetroUI. You are not shifting between two UIs, you are just running another "app".
  • It is less efficient for the majority of desktop users in terms of speed, relevance, and accuracy/precision. Most desktops do not have touch monitor's either. It is also truly exhausting to use MetroUI with large monitors for hours on end.
  • The obfuscation of creating local accounts on fresh-installs.
  • Early on BSOD when renaming short-cuts or while sitting idle on the desktop. Patched later.
  • The "dual" sets of Windows updates than run in and outside MetroUI, and mysteriously get reset to their default settings frequently after patching.
  • You OS constantly talking to Microsoft when connection is established.
  • Not able to fully disable MetroUI and revert to the standard Desktop Shell environment.
  • Not given a choice.


There are definitely pros too, such as file history, task manager, event viewer has logs to help determine overclocks are unstable etc.
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While I can respect that you don't want to take the time to write a long post outlining what you don't like, I would really love it if someone would. I completely understand there are a billion and one uses for a computer other than the ones I partake in, so I guess I keep harping on this because I really would like to understand in what cases/uses it simply doesn't work and why.

Well, today's your lucky day. I don't have to take my time since I've already posted it in the past tongue.gif
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Well, I share you and your father's sentiments. I've tried to get used to 8 probably about 6 times over the span of 2 years to no avail. You can do whatever you want to 8, but it will always have those little problems that aggravate the s out of you. All of the little stuff adds up, and if you're trying to make 8 be like 7, why not use 7?

Startup application lag (serialize registry key doesn't fix it) -biggest reason
Overprotective UAC that only shuts down via DisableLUA=1, which breaks apps (otherwise, I'd have to run everything as admin which is a true pain)
Important software isn't compatible
The network topology illustration in Network and Sharing Center that was on 7 was helpful in troubleshooting.
I accidentally get into the metro screen and/or click the top left corner and switch over to some metro app.
It takes too long to navigate to windows update (instead of start, windows update).
Some of the software I run crashes more frequently than on 7 (I use basically the exact same programs and configurations on 8 and 7).
Having to install secondary programs that were disabled by enabling DisableLUA.
Disabling 8 charm bar and related
Have to install Classic shell (then again, I use CS in 7 because of the option to have the WinXP all programs layout)
Having to try to fix all of the above every time you reinstall. -another big reason

So basically, a lot of nitpicks at an attempt to make 8 like 7. It isn't like 8 is faster or anything. I boot at the same speed (12-13sec) while I wait another 15 or so seconds for the programs to load up due to startup lag, and I shut down in around 7 or 15sec. And every time I go back to 7, I always breathe a sigh of relief knowing I don't have to go through so much BS in order to get it to work the way I want it to.

Pretty much the only reasons why I like 8 is because of the revamped task manager and the little graph that shows up when transferring files. Plus, it installs a whole lot faster...in order to give you more time to turn it into 7 tongue.gif

Granted, these are just my experiences, and I know there are people out there that aren't as picky as me, so YMMV.

Edit: the only things that have changed since then is that I got my shutdown time to 4 seconds now biggrin.gif and I'm imaging my drive instead of doing a full blown reload.
Edited by airisom2 - 1/12/15 at 3:56pm
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Oh, a few niche pieces, eh? Who's forgetting that there are other uses for a computer than their own, again now? It's funny because you try to attribute your own behaviors, to everyone else, when you're in fact the offending party you criticize. So, do you care to finally qualify your statement of Windows 8.1 being an unusable, horrific mess that should be stricken from the history books, with some reasoning?
Considering I had already mention in my FIRST post how I would be using 7 and 10 side by side, Also I don't need any specific reasoning other than the fact that MS seemed to have THEMSELVES found it necessary to create a new OS that, as of the moment, appears to do what 8 was intended to do.
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He's trying to understand why you have your opinion, since he's shared the reasoning for his. All you're showing, really, by refusing to even acknowledge that is a weakness of your own position. My guess? You probably haven't ever even so much as downloaded Windows 8's installer, let alone tried using it wink.gif.

This is why I withhold information. I don't need people like you telling me what I have and have not done. I used windows 8 and while I know there are a lot of improvements with the kernel, etc, I don't like metro. I don't like the over zealous permissions setup.

And my windows 7 setup runs well so I don't need to upgrade anyways.
Edited by Poisoner - 1/12/15 at 5:45pm
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Some really big ones for me:
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  • Never being a proper Administrator, really important for getting in the nitty gritty of your OS and registry.
  • Registry or Local Security policy changes necessary to truly disable UAC and it's associated sandbox/virtualization. Half of MetroUI is unusable after this is done.
  • Semi-documented changes in file security that essentially leave you guessing on file servers at times.
  • An extra 100~200MB of VRAM utilization, to host MetroUI and its flashy gimmicks.
  • Desktop shell runs as an application inside the MetroUI. You are not shifting between two UIs, you are just running another "app".
  • It is less efficient for the majority of desktop users in terms of speed, relevance, and accuracy/precision. Most desktops do not have touch monitor's either. It is also truly exhausting to use MetroUI with large monitors for hours on end.
  • The obfuscation of creating local accounts on fresh-installs.
  • Early on BSOD when renaming short-cuts or while sitting idle on the desktop. Patched later.
  • The "dual" sets of Windows updates than run in and outside MetroUI, and mysteriously get reset to their default settings frequently after patching.
  • You OS constantly talking to Microsoft when connection is established.
  • Not able to fully disable MetroUI and revert to the standard Desktop Shell environment.
  • Not given a choice.


There are definitely pros too, such as file history, task manager, event viewer has logs to help determine overclocks are unstable etc.

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Well, today's your lucky day. I don't have to take my time since I've already posted it in the past tongue.gif
Edit: the only things that have changed since then is that I got my shutdown time to 4 seconds now biggrin.gif and I'm imaging my drive instead of doing a full blown reload.

Fair enough. Thanks to both of you for taking the time to outline though. I guess I am just not picky enough. tongue.gif

For me, it was just about performance. DX 11.1 definitely helped produce a smoother experience in BF4 online, which I played a lot at the time. I thought well, I have $4000 or so invested in hardware at the time, am I going to stop short of a $100 OS to get the most out of it? To me I never really had a choice and grew to kind of appreciate the new layout over time.

You guys seemed to share some gripes so hopefully MS will get those features taken care of so W10 is a great OS for you guys.
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