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Basically think of GTX980 same way was GTX460. Was GTX460 a amazing card? Yes and it was cheap.
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that's right. if you have issues paying your electric bill . . . you have a choice - go green.

Again... if you have issues paying your electric bill, you're not buying $500 200+ watt cards. You're buying $100 sub-100 watt cards. Or APUs.
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No matter what you want to call it, the 680 for its time was the high end chip.

No matter how you and everyone wants to see it the the 980 is the flagship high end chip.

nVidia presented them this way, this is how it is. Just because they no longer follow their older nomenclature scheme of having x00/x10 card being the flagship does not bean the the 680/980 are not for its time their Flagship/high end product.

Also just because nVidia has a better card in their coin purse (680 > GK110 that turned into the Titan), did not mean the 680 wasn't the 'it' card.

We as consumers just need to get used it that they felt/feel this is good enough for the consumer market.

It was the mid-range chip in the Kepler family. There is no dispute about that.
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IMO GTX900 series is the worst series. The new flagship barely beat the previous flagship despite this is a tock(a.k.a new architecture)

did Tesla mid-end GTX260 beat or at least equal previous flagship = Yep
how about Fermi GTX460? = Yep
how about Kepler GTX660? = equal
how about Maxwell GTX960? = did it beat 780ti, LOL......nope, not even 970... sigh.......

i seriously hope this AMD gpu force Nvidia to introduce GM200/Gm210. Nvidia has been screwing us lately.

The current gen mid-range chip is beating the previous gen's top-end chip. It's just the current gen's top-end chip hasn't been released yet, so this mid-range chip is being sold at premium prices.
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Low end, mid range, high end are defined by no.1 performance and no.2 price. GTX 980 high performance, high price means high end.

If it's a mid range card lol it must be the most expensive mid range card ever. Not too many budget builders will be putting that on the shopping list.

It might be highest in performance at the moment, but that doesn't change the fact that it is the mid-range chip in the Maxwell family.
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Again... if you have issues paying your electric bill, you're not buying $500 200+ watt cards. You're buying $100 sub-100 watt cards. Or APUs.
It was the mid-range chip in the Kepler family. There is no dispute about that.
The current gen mid-range chip is beating the previous gen's top-end chip. It's just the current gen's top-end chip hasn't been released yet.
It might be highest in performance at the moment, but that doesn't change the fact that it is the mid-range chip in the Maxwell family.

I think its more about the idea of using less power then the actual cost of electricity bill. High performance with lower power is the future. The reason why we have 300W cards from AMD is because they have always relied to process shrink. It was not with the time and effort before to spend a lot of time lower power consumption because you could achieve it with lower node. To me it always feels like GTX980 and GTX970 are mobile chips tuned into desktop GPUs.
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The 980 are mid range cards with premium price and this will continue till amd put out a conter, 300 watt or 200 doesn't matter

Ahaha..

Ok. Well then you can go show the foundries how to do 20nm right, because they sure couldn't get it done.

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I love people that say stuff like you, especially in the face that the fabs making the products literally are stating they are having issues with putting billions of something very tiny in a very small space. Yet the average OCN user knows better............................................
    
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To all those saying power efficiency is pointless. Efficiency isn't only about power savings, it's about maximizing performance as well. GM204 is one of the best-clocking cores we have ever seen. The thermal headroom is absolutely massive and that's why most of them, even average ones, can clock to 1500Mhz with ease. AMD's Hawaii was so inefficient that it was already maxed out at 1000Mhz needing 1250mV and 300W just for that low clock. Consequently it completely sucked at OC'ing, even OC models like the Lightning. I'm guessing this card will be the same story.
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Benchmarks first ...
Which one is actually more efficient? R9 290X is the most powerful single GPU card on market - thats for sure. GTX 980 is the fastest GPU on market.

R9 290X give 5,6 GFLOPS
GTX 980 give 4.6 GFLOPS

R9 290X is 22% more powerfull.
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The 980 are mid range cards with premium price and this will continue till amd put out a conter, 300 watt or 200 doesn't matter

Ahaha..

Ok. Well then you can go show the foundries how to do 20nm right, because they sure couldn't get it done.

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I love people that say stuff like you, especially in the face that the fabs making the products literally are stating they are having issues with putting billions of something very tiny in a very small space. Yet the average OCN user knows better............................................
or simply ask the people like you who knows why they have problems making things as tiny as 20nm and why they better go down the road of 14/16 nm because......ah no to much thinking for an average OCN user sorry biggrin.gif
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To all those saying power efficiency is pointless. Efficiency isn't only about power savings, it's about maximizing performance as well. GM204 is one of the best-clocking cores we have ever seen. The thermal headroom is absolutely massive and that's why most of them, even average ones, can clock to 1500Mhz with ease. AMD's Hawaii was so inefficient that it was already maxed out at 1000Mhz needing 1250mV and 300W just for that low clock. Consequently it completely sucked at OC'ing, even OC models like the Lightning. I'm guessing this card will be the same story.
Haswell is the most efficient cpu(now a days) and no one cares tongue.gif. People upgrade for performance,that`s why kepler/GCN and ivy/sandy bridge owners hasnt upgraded
  
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Ahaha..

Ok. Well then you can go show the foundries how to do 20nm right, because they sure couldn't get it done.

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I love people that say stuff like you, especially in the face that the fabs making the products literally are stating they are having issues with putting billions of something very tiny in a very small space. Yet the average OCN user knows better............................................

Well from the rumors, 28nm GM200 is already tapped out and ready to go. It is going to be faster than the 980/970... no one can deny that. I am not going to sit and praise Nvidia for blessing us with the 900 series like they did us a favor by releasing it. Again, I am not going to hate on them for their current business model, but I do long for the days when the mid range chip came with a mid range price and still was faster than last gen's top card.
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Haswell is the most efficient cpu(now a days) and no one cares tongue.gif. People upgrade for performance,that`s why kepler/GCN and ivy/sandy bridge owners hasnt upgraded

Because Haswell has process/architecture limitations that prevent them from overclocking higher. Plus, in GPUs, "MOAR CORES" actually works.
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