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What world do you guys live in? Extortion is how the world works and everyone does this. If it's ok for you to quit your job to take a job doing the same thing for more money, why exactly is it wrong if a company does the same thing?

That's right, it's only ok if you do it. Not if it happens to you. I hate that way of thinking where people justify their bad behavior but cry foul when someone else does that same bad behavior.
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What world do you guys live in? Extortion is how the world works and everyone does this. If it's ok for you to quit your job to take a job doing the same thing for more money, why exactly is it wrong if a company does the same thing?

That's right, it's only ok if you do it. Not if it happens to you. I hate that way of thinking where people justify their bad behavior but cry foul when someone else does that same bad behavior.


if classified as title 2, which is just a form away the extortion goes bye bye.
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"Will it Netflix" is the first question we get from all new subscribers.

When we are talking to them about their needs the only concern residential customers seem to have is "Will it Netflix?".

Glad you both made these comments.....

One is a subsidized, to some degree, utility. The other isn't, but should be.

There is a reason the sewer company can't charge $500 a month for their services, because they are a regulated utility. If they weren't, and were let to be ran like the major ISPs, we would be paying more.

Totally why i posted it Postal. thumb.gif
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FYI Netflix accounts for over 1/3 of all internet traffic in the U.S.


I'm playing devil's advocate here... ISPs have their problems too, but they have a pretty good reason to ask Netflix for more money.

Didnt realize it was that high. If anything it should show that people want on demand solutions like netflix, but thats probably another reason cable companies hate netflix, because they are eating their bandwidth and killing off TV subscriptions.
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What world do you guys live in? Extortion is how the world works and everyone does this. If it's ok for you to quit your job to take a job doing the same thing for more money, why exactly is it wrong if a company does the same thing?

That's right, it's only ok if you do it. Not if it happens to you. I hate that way of thinking where people justify their bad behavior but cry foul when someone else does that same bad behavior.

This doesn't seem like a comparable situation.. It would be more plausible if you were arguing why I should switch ISPs (employers) because the second one offers faster speeds (more money) for the same dollar amount (work accomplished). Assuming you wanted to stick with employment/ISP analogy.

More applicable:

If I am hired by company X as a subcontractor for a project they have for company Y. I get a salary from company X as compensation for services rendered, however, I turn around and try to charge company Y for the same service rendered when company Y is already paying company X for the subcontract.. I'm no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure you can't do that in a business setting. There is a large portion of engineering ethics dedicated to it. I know if you try to do that to the federal government, it's a felony.
post #26 of 72
Figured I can ask this here is PostalTwinkie (still love the name) is in this thread.

Aren't companies charged for access to the internet? And are those that operate with high amounts of bandwidth charged based on that? And finally, are certain ones charged at an... exponential (wrong word, but close enough) amount more than others? Like Netflix or YouTube would have to pay non-linearly more for more traffic?
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post #27 of 72
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Figured I can ask this here is PostalTwinkie (still love the name) is in this thread.

Aren't companies charged for access to the internet? And are those that operate with high amounts of bandwidth charged based on that? And finally, are certain ones charged at an... exponential (wrong word, but close enough) amount more than others? Like Netflix or YouTube would have to pay non-linearly more for more traffic?


That is exactly what i cant understand. The ISP gets to effectively charge twice for the bandwidth yet they want more. Also who care WHERE is comes from or whjat the data is. 0's and 1's still cost the same if its the latest hentai donkey porn or legally streamed video or even posting to this. Why should what it is make it cost more to send
post #28 of 72
The reason why I'm asking is I believe it makes sense to charge companies for the data they use. But what I don't believe is right is charging Company B 3x the normal rate for using 2x the data of Company A. It sounds like that is the scenario Netflix is in. (Please note that amounts are just examples).
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post #29 of 72
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Originally Posted by AcEsSalvation View Post

Figured I can ask this here is PostalTwinkie (still love the name) is in this thread.

Aren't companies charged for access to the internet? And are those that operate with high amounts of bandwidth charged based on that? And finally, are certain ones charged at an... exponential (wrong word, but close enough) amount more than others? Like Netflix or YouTube would have to pay non-linearly more for more traffic?

Bandwidth is very cheap, getting to it is the expensive part. So in cases of Netflix where they house their hardware in the same data centers as the major providers, they only need to run a line several feet to get to that bandwidth.

The really crazy thing about Netflix paying Comcast more is that Comcast customers are paying Comcast for internet service, and they attempt to use it to get to Netflix. Then on the other end of it Netflix is paying its provider (Comcast as well in some situations) for their connection. So you have two ends of this link paying for that link, and now Comcast is going back over to Netflix and saying "Pay us more because you use your bandwidth more." Not O.K.

When you reach the fiber level of contracts, with SLAs, that cost thousands per month, you don't have data caps. If you have a 10 Gbit connection, you can use it 24/7 100% so long as you pay your contracted cost. While the connections cost thousands per month, they are massive and the actual per Mb cost is really low by comparison of say residential services.

This is just greed, the big providers are already being paid at both ends. They want to have a third revenue stream off one service/link.
    
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This would be true if the ISPs weren't already getting paid by their customers. ISPs just don't want to actually invest their own money in infrastructure because it would potentially reduce their profits in the short term, and all these companies care about is their short term profits..

Nailed it. America has a bad infection going on that's been hollowing out this country for nearly 3 decades. ANYTHING for short term profits. Quality and service has nose dived in the name of short term profits. What does some executive care if it's going to produce a crap product, or make it difficult for any successors. They get their millions in bonuses post stock price raise and they are gone. No one is interested in making any money long term, as that would imply producing something worthwhile and customers coming back over and over. You don't have to worry about that with a monopoly/duopoly though huh?
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