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Most ISPs do operate off a 70% basis, or compared to your numbers 30% margin....obviously some vary from that.

If you are getting at least 70% of the speed then typically there isn't an issue with hardware, but volume of - and not much can be done - and all is "normal". Not my favorite part of being an ISP, I would love everyone be able to get 100% of speed 100% of the time. Unfortunately network hardware is a whiny ass Diva that refuses to actually allow that to happen.

can anything be done to companies like windstream that consistently, in most locations, don't even provide 10% of what they sell?
I know there are various state attorney level suits against them over this, but if ISPs run the show like they do, who knows what that will accomplish.
as a consumer, do we have any leg at all to stand on?
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can anything be done to companies like windstream that consistently, in most locations, don't even provide 10% of what they sell?
I know there are various state attorney level suits against them over this, but if ISPs run the show like they do, who knows what that will accomplish.
as a consumer, do we have any leg at all to stand on?

Filling complaints with various consumer protection bodies, and not being a customer to them. That is about it....

Honestly, if they can't even deliver 10% then there are some serious issues.
    
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Filling complaints with various consumer protection bodies, and not being a customer to them. That is about it....

Honestly, if they can't even deliver 10% then there are some serious issues.

whats crazy, is if you look into the BBB cases opened against them, even when they are involved its a never ending run around, like WS literally doesn't care at all regardless of who is telling them to do something.
heck, the BBB even has a warning on windstream's BBB page disclosing a lot of the issues and still, nothing.
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I'm personally against Net Neutrality. I do not understand why anyone would want the government to regulate anything more than they already do. All that will happen is another case where you give them an inch and they will take a mile. See the Patriot Act. It's all under the guise,"We're from the government and we're here to help" and "Corporatism got you down? Have some more government!"

From an article I read recently:

"In the case of Internet access, the technology already exists to provide high speed wireless access to everybody. This discussion of telephone poles is just plain silly. Wifi today can provide speeds of up to 1,300Mbps, far faster than the cable modem in any home or small office today. The FCC limits the radio power and antenna specs of your wifi devices. Absent those regulations, we wouldn’t be worried about who got to run cables across telephone poles.

If you want more competition in the market, the answer is to take control over radio power and antennas away from the FCC, not hand more control over wires to it. Turn the Internet into a public utility, and in 5 years you’ll be seeing PSA’s demanding we all use less bandwidth due to shortages, as opposed to the ever increasing capacity of networks we’ve seen over the last 25 years."
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whats crazy, is if you look into the BBB cases opened against them, even when they are involved its a never ending run around, like WS literally doesn't care at all regardless of who is telling them to do something.
heck, the BBB even has a warning on windstream's BBB page disclosing a lot of the issues and still, nothing.

The thing is, the BBB isn't an authoritative body, they hold no legal power or regulatory power, they don't really hold any power. A business doesn't have to participate in their program or even respond to them. They are a good source for information and can help resolve issues, but they are actually very limited.
    
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I'm personally against Net Neutrality. I do not understand why anyone would want the government to regulate anything more than they already do. All that will happen is another case where you give them an inch and they will take a mile. See the Patriot Act. It's all under the guise,"We're from the government and we're here to help" and "Corporatism got you down? Have some more government!"

From an article I read recently:

"In the case of Internet access, the technology already exists to provide high speed wireless access to everybody. This discussion of telephone poles is just plain silly. Wifi today can provide speeds of up to 1,300Mbps, far faster than the cable modem in any home or small office today. The FCC limits the radio power and antenna specs of your wifi devices. Absent those regulations, we wouldn’t be worried about who got to run cables across telephone poles.

If you want more competition in the market, the answer is to take control over radio power and antennas away from the FCC, not hand more control over wires to it. Turn the Internet into a public utility, and in 5 years you’ll be seeing PSA’s demanding we all use less bandwidth due to shortages, as opposed to the ever increasing capacity of networks we’ve seen over the last 25 years."

you read some propaganda and are trying to justify it.

net neutrality is the one thing that keeps isps from making the internet like cable tv.



there is a reason this image even exists.

it's because that it what isps WANT!

net neutrality makes all data equal regardless of where it came from.

that is VERY important.
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I'm personally against Net Neutrality. I do not understand why anyone would want the government to regulate anything more than they already do. All that will happen is another case where you give them an inch and they will take a mile. See the Patriot Act. It's all under the guise,"We're from the government and we're here to help" and "Corporatism got you down? Have some more government!"

From an article I read recently:

"In the case of Internet access, the technology already exists to provide high speed wireless access to everybody. This discussion of telephone poles is just plain silly. Wifi today can provide speeds of up to 1,300Mbps, far faster than the cable modem in any home or small office today. The FCC limits the radio power and antenna specs of your wifi devices. Absent those regulations, we wouldn’t be worried about who got to run cables across telephone poles.

If you want more competition in the market, the answer is to take control over radio power and antennas away from the FCC, not hand more control over wires to it. Turn the Internet into a public utility, and in 5 years you’ll be seeing PSA’s demanding we all use less bandwidth due to shortages, as opposed to the ever increasing capacity of networks we’ve seen over the last 25 years."
in EU most telecoms privatized monopoly telephone companies and are thus using existing infrastructure for dsl and beyond. so eu forced them to share this infrastructure so german telecom has to share with spain O2 and so on. this way there is a competition.

in us they are an oligarchy who partitioned the country, buyed off local politicians to allow only certain isp in certain area, and they dont cross each other markets or very barely. therefore you have close to zero competition between the major players. this is not allright.
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you read some propaganda and are trying to justify it.

net neutrality is the one thing that keeps isps from making the internet like cable tv.



there is a reason this image even exists.

it's because that it what isps WANT!

net neutrality makes all data equal regardless of where it came from.

that is VERY important.

I could make the same accusation about you. The fact that the President approves of Net Neutrality should sound alarms, but alas it does not.
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in EU most telecoms privatized monopoly telephone companies and are thus using existing infrastructure for dsl and beyond. so eu forced them to share this infrastructure so german telecom has to share with spain O2 and so on. this way there is a competition.

in us they are an oligarchy who partitioned the country, buyed off local politicians to allow only certain isp in certain area, and they dont cross each other markets or very barely. therefore you have close to zero competition between the major players. this is not allright.

You made my point for me. The issue is corporations in bed with government for money and approved regulations and everyone's solution is just more government. The reason this is the issue in the first place is because of government and lobbyists.
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I could make the same accusation about you. The fact that the President approves of Net Neutrality should sound alarms, but alas it does not.

do you even know what net neutrality is?

did you know that is the fcc's job to regulate the internet?

did you know they are part of the government?

did you know that verizon sued the fcc about the rules of net neutrality to get fast lanes in the first place?

corporations are not your friends.

here is some reading for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_%282014%29
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Verizon v. Federal Communications Commission was a 2014 U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit case vacating portions of the FCC Open Internet Order 2010 that the court determined could only be applied to common carriers. The court ruled that the FCC did not have the authority to impose the order in its entirety. Because the FCC had previously classified broadband providers under Title I of the Communications Act of 1934, the court ruled that the FCC had relinquished its right to regulate them like common carriers. The case was largely viewed as a loss for network neutrality supporters and a victory for the cable broadband industry. Of the three orders that make up the FCC Open Internet Order 2010, two were vacated (no blocking and no unreasonable discrimination) and one was upheld (transparency). Judge David S. Tatel wrote the opinion with Judge Judith Ann Wilson Rogers joining. Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote a separate decision concurring in part and dissenting in part.

making isp's title 2 fixes everything.

no more internet fast lanes.
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