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[Build Log] - EXTREME rads 5x180 + 120 + 2x R9 290x Lighting on a silverstone FT-02 : THAT FITS !

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(for the story, read after the pics smile.gif )
disclaimer : english is not my first langage


Overview : a 3x180 magicool rad on the bottom , 2 single 180 over the AP181 fans
and a very long MSI R9290x lightning
all fits inside a Silverstone FT-02 !




Radiator on the left side : fits !



Radiator on the right side : fits too !



The MSI R9 290x fits nicely. only few millimeters left !



Even a second GPU on the 2nd PCI16x port would fit !



Testing closing of the side panel : nice !



Overral I feel lucky that all fits so nicely with only a few milimeters of space each time !

I also have a 120 rad for the top. just for the OVER-overkill smile.gif



Here is the story :


the Why :


I love those new space operas games (Elite Dangerous / Star Citizen). When i was a kid, i liked a lot games like Wing commander / freelancer / colony wars (PSX) / etc


Now i am 30. I decided to spend some serious money in my computer to get the best experience available.

I made a 3x 1920x1200 eyefinity setup + X52 HOTAS + track IR5 head tracking.
the 3 screens are Samsung 245BW. I modded them to remove the middle bezels. I may post pictures if people ask !

To move so many pixels, I purshased a MSI R9 290x Lightning (the best 290x available)
During a few weeks, I ran everything on air on my Silverstone FT-02 Case. performance on Elite dangerous is good.
best of all : NO coil noise from the 290x ! Those tripple 80mm fans are noisy though.

The noise was too much for my taste. My GF complained too !

So I decided to watercool all this rig.


Main Goals of the cooling system :
- have fun with my first watercooling setup smile.gif
- Silence, Silence, Silence
- ability to upgrade easily (i.e. add GPUs)
- easy water filing and maintenance
- Sturdy, I plan to keep most parts for years
- looks : i don't really care for looks. as long as i can close the door and cable management is good enough. So no lights, and i will use different fittings to test the different brands (some compression, barbs, different brands and colors)



special thanks
After research, the best detailled FT-02 watercooled builds i found were those two, many thanks to them because it was very helpful figuring it out ! :

- Amorphous from PandaSPUR :
http://www.overclock.net/t/1348459/build-log-amorphous-silverstone-ft02-watercooling-build


- Lvl8Hacker : he deleted all the pictures from his build log on OCN
http://www.overclock.net/t/1150056/build-log-silverstone-ft02-540mm-rad-conversion-external-water-chiller-update-first-post-videos

but he also made a video on youtube, and it's still there !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0LXxsmRYk



main design orientations :

- For silence lot of fans, several pumps, all undervolted.
Because 2 undervolted devices produce less noise and are equally efficient as one on full voltage.

- as many rads possible, cause fans would move very few air : 3x180 in the bottom, 120 on the top

- a waterblock for each important part (CPU, GPU, Motherboard)

- a good bay reservoir, that could fit 2 pumps

- keep space for future addition of GPU(s)


My Rig

- case : silverstone FT-02
- Mobo : Gigabyte 990Fxa UD7
- GPU : MSI R290x Lightning
- CPU : AMD FX8150
- SSD : Crucial M4 256GB
- HDD : 3TB inside a LOGISYS HS102BL aluminium hard drive silencer
- Power : cooler Master 1000W gold
- a fractal design Baybus to controll the fans (6 channels. max 7W by channel)


Buy List :

from Frozen CPU : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Part # Product Description Qty Price Total
ex-rad-287 Magicool Extreme Triple 180mm x 35mm Slim Radiator (MC-RADI180X3) 1 $109.95 $109.95
ex-tub-694 Bitspower G 1/4" Matte Black Rotary 90° Angle 3/8" Stubby Fitting (BP-MBLRIIM) 2 $12.49 $24.98

scr-164 "M4 x 45mm Radiator Mount Hex Socket Cap Screws - Black - 4 Pack (Danger Den / Hardware Labs)

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Select Optional Lock Nuts - 4 Pack: M4 Lock Nuts - Anodized Blue ($3.00)" 1 $6.00 $6.00
ex-pmp-201 Koolance PMP-400 3/8" ID Native Liquid Cooling Pump (PMP-400) 2 $79.99 $159.98
ex-tub-1575 PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 3/8"ID x 5/8" OD - 10ft Retail Pack - Clear (PFLEXA10-58) 1 $24.99 $24.99
ex-tub-30 Fitting Thread Sealant Tape 2 $2.00 $4.00
koo-105 Koolance L-Bracket with Dual G 1/4 Socket Fittings (BKT-PCI-G) 1 $12.99 $12.99
ex-tub-1128 Phobya G1/4" Thread 3/8" ID x 5/8" OD 45-Degree Rotary Compression Fitting - Silver (62331) 2 $7.99 $15.98
tsl-31 PrimoChill Anti-Kink Coils - 5/8 OD" Tubing - Clear 2 $3.99 $7.98
koo-372 Koolance G1/4 Pressure Valve (VLV-VL002K) 1 $6.59 $6.59
ex-tub-709 Bitspower G1/4 Thread Stop Plug w/ O-Ring - Matte Black Diamond (BP-MBDWP-DC06) 4 $2.99 $11.96
ex-tub-1360 Bitspower G 1/4" Thread 45 Degree Rotary 3/8" Barb Fitting (BP-MB45R2II) 2 $15.49 $30.98
ex-liq-188 Liquid Filling Bottle - 500mL 1 $6.99 $6.99
ex-rad-285 "Magicool Extreme 180mm x 35mm Slim Radiator (MC-RADI180)

   Selected Options
Select G 1/4"" Fittings (Qty. 2): 3/8"" ID Barb - Black ($6.50)" 2 $61.45 $122.90
ex-liq-154 IandH Dead-Water Copper Sulfate Biocidal PC Coolant Additive - 15 mL 1 $4.99 $4.99
ex-tub-705 IandH Silver KillCoils - Antimicrobial .999 Fine Silver Tubing / Reservoir Strip 1 $6.99 $6.99
fan-907 Phobya 180mm x 25mm G-18 700rpm Silent Fan - Black 2 $14.95 $29.90
scr-222 M3 x 35mm Pan Head Screws - Stainless Steel - 4 Pack 2 $2.00 $4.00
scr-223 "M3 x 40mm Pan Head Screws - Stainless Steel - 4 Pack

   Selected Options
Select Optional Lock Nuts - 4 Pack: M3 Lock Nuts - Silver ($3.00)" 2 $5.00 $10.00
ex-rad-337 Phobya Shroud & Decoupling Gasket 180mm (7mm thickness) 4 $7.99 $31.96
ex-rad-161 "Black Ice SR1 Low Air Flow Optimized - 120 Radiator - Black

   Selected Options
Select G 1/4"" Fittings (Qty. 2): 3/8"" ID Barb - Black ($6.50)
Select Optional Fan Mounting Hardware - 4 Pack: 30mm Hex Screws-Black (25mm fans) ($2.50)
Select Optional Radiator Accessories: Phobya Decoupling Gasket ($4.50)" 1 $58.49 $58.49
ex-blc-972 "XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block - AMD (Sockets AM2, AM2+, AM3, FM1)

   Selected Options
Select G 1/4"" Fittings (Qty. 2): 3/8"" ID Barb - Black ($6.50)" 1 $69.49 $69.49
ex-blc-1706 "EK MSI R9-290X Lightning VGA Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal + Nickel (EK-FC R9-290X Lightning - Acetal+Nickel)

   Selected Options
Select an Optional Backplate: EK-FC R9-290X Lightning Backplate - Black ($33.99)
Select G 1/4"" Fittings (Qty. 2): 3/8"" ID Barb - Black ($6.50)" 1 $199.48 $199.48
psu-218 FrozenCPU 24-pin Power Supply Jump Start Connector 1 $3.99 $3.99
ex-pmp-143 Koolance CTR-SPD12X2 Dual 12V Pump Controller 1 $82.99 $82.99
ex-res-294 "Koolance RP-401X2 Single 5.25"" Reservoir for 1-2 PMP-400 Pumps (Rev 1.1)

   Selected Options
Select Optional Rerservoir Accessories: Koolance 180-Degree Connector ($13.99)
Select G 1/4"" Fittings (Qty. 2): 3/8"" ID Barb - Black ($6.50)" 1 $125.44 $125.44


from EKWB :

3831109820681 EK-FB GA 990FXA-UD7 - Acetal+EN (Nickel) 1 € 36.84 € 36.84
3830046996022 EK-10mm (3/8") G1/4 High-Flow Fitting 2 € 1.66 € 3.32



from demciflex : custom bottom filter for the FT-02




Choosing the parts :


- fittings : as you can see i ordered different fittings. I know it would not look "clean", but i am new to watercooling so I wanted to seed by myself the differents in quality between the different brands and fittings types.
I will mainly use Bistpower straight barb fittings. Also ordered a few 90 and 45 degrees just in case.

The quality of the bitspower fittings seem pretty bad. I mean, the black paint is flaking so easily ! do people have problem with this ?

the phobya compression fittings seems sturdy. The EK barb fittings seems expensive (they are ! lol)


- Reservoir / pumps : a RP-401X2 + serial kit + 2 PMP400 Pumps + a dual pump controller . all from koolance
I based my choise from the Martin's website : best single bay option, best aftermaket top for the pressure rates, best in everything smile.gif
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2011/07/11/koolance-rp-401x2-reservoir/

having 2 pumps in serial will give me some serious pressure and / or silence depending on how much i undervolt them


- GPU waterblock : From EK. Bought the optionnal backplate too. I believe EK don't make them anymore. took me 6 weeks and 3 retailers to finally get one on EK's website directly.

- Mobo Waterblock : From EK. Only option for this motherboard. I had one of the few left in stock !

At first i was reluctant to buy directly from EK (they are in europe, I am in canada. they use euros. they use only DHL for shipping. two EXPENSIVE things for a canadian !)
finally I did buy from them because those 2 products where not in stock anywhere but there. and yes it was expensive...

but the quality seems really really good. feel like german craftmanship. I mean this acetal feel to the touch like it's metal !


- filter : I bought a demciflex custom filter. It's on is way from south africa !


- Rads : When i planned my build, I tought that the 290x Lightning would be too long to fit a 3x180 rad under
So at first i ordered "only" two single 180 magicool rads.
My plan was to put them on the bottom of the case, in push pull, so I ordered 2x phobya 180 slim fans

For the top I planned a SR1 120 mm from Hardware Labs.

I also bought a variety of screws and bolts, just in case. and some rubber shrouds.


Here is how it turned out :
When I received the first order, I discovered that the stock AP181 fan and the radiator would fit perfectly under the graphic card !!
So I ordered a 3x180

I received it today. Installed it. fits nicely !

But I had also two single 180 rads lying there... So i tried something and it FITS !!!!
ahahah now we talk about a serious overkill build biggrin.gif

unfortunately the push / pull with the fans is not possible because of the motherboard.


It's under construction right next to my desk now. will update this build log soon



future upgrades :
- install a filter and QDCs for easy maintenance and cleaning (much like Lvl8Hacker did)

- MOAR GPUs. In the next months i will try to find 1 or 2 second hand 290x's Lightning. I may find good deals when the R9 390X comes smile.gif

- Better Power supply. This one is stable with this setup, but produce a TON of coil noise while gaming ! i HATE this. I would not plug another lightning on this power supply.

- i am open to other ideas smile.gif maybe a bigger AMD CPU ? like a 9590 !

- find a way to install fans on top of those big single 180 rads, so I could further reduce the AP181's speed. The phobya 180 do not fit because of the motherboard. Maybe 2x 140 fans, with a hacked 180 -> 140 shroud ?
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I don't think i will bother screwing the rads and the fans together. I want to be able to move the parts slightling so I can vacuum the dust eventually.
I will use a demciflex filter but i know dust will come anyway. slower, but it will enter !

it is a problem to not screw things together on the bottom of the case ? maybe this setup will produce more vibrations ?


ok time to get some sleep... more tomorrow !
    
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thanks mate


To prime the pumps, I had to connect the 1st pump only (right reservoir) and to stand the case on it's back
I stuffed a lot of towels inside to protect the computer in case of a leak.
It took me 30-45 min to full the loop ! this reservoir is tiny. I blocked the left reservoir because i was afraid that bublles would be trapped inside forever, but a bigger reservoir would have helped a lot.

I used a precision squeeshing bootle

When the circuit started to cycle completely, i diped the case on all directions to help evacuate the bubbles
Then i ran the case horizontally, and i used the fill line on the top (PCI passtrough) to finish the filling.







Now i have some cable management to do !





On a side note, the pumps make much more noise than i tought ! in his test, Martins said he was not able to hear at 8v them when he puted his ear on the pump.
But in my case, i can clearly hear a backgroud noise.
The noise is like an old HDD when you can hear it spinning (not grattling, a hiiiiiisssssss like a fast metal spinning)

Same noise for the 2 pumps, so maybe it's PMP400 thing ? could others DDC pumps be more silent ?
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I think i will order this : http://www.diyinhk.com/shop/ddc-pump/12-laing-ddc-water-pump-10w-repair-pcb-wled-mcp350.html
a replacement PCB to mod the pumps at only 10w to make them silent

from my researchs, a high pitch noise can also come from debris on the impeler, or the pump beeing over-tighten on its top

I may wait for a few weeks because i would change stuff in the loop anyway (add a filter etc). Filling this loop takes a lot of time, I prefer to plan several operations at the same time.
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At the point of my last post, the build was complete, but noisy :

- noisy PSU with a lot of coil noise
- noisy pumps


I decided to ask some questions on the SPCR forum, and here is the result :

- ordered a new PSU : Seasonic Snow Silent 1050w
- suspended the pumps


I received the PSU 2 days after my order, great service from ncix !

Best of all : I can't hear it at all ! if I put my ear on it, i can hear a faint "clic" noise from the fan. Very siminal to a Noctua fan undervolted. can't hear it at 1m. NO COIL NOISE !!!

My FT-02 case offers me to use the PSU as an exhaust for the PC, or tor the PSU so it can take it's own air from the exterior.
Since I have a lot of intake fans, and a lot of rads inside the case, i decided that an additionnal exhaust would be better.






Also, i decided to midify the loop, by suspending the pumps. I took the idea from the silent waercooling guide i saw on SPCR.
They used elastics, I tried but it was difficult to install.
So instead i simply used tie-raps
Looks hacked but the difference in noise is BIG !!! Now my 2 undervolted pumps makes about the same noise as a standard HDD. most quiet solution I could have from 2x DDC2.25






Here is how it looks. Not the best looking build over there, but QUIET ! good temps too





Next step would be to add a filter between Quick disconnects, for easy maintenance.


I may add another Lightning later, and upgrade the CPU for a FX9590
But now in 5760x1200 Eyefinity, games are fast. No lag at all. So it's not a priority.
    
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Gonna bump this in case you're still around and have made progress since then. Everythings looking good though biggrin.gif

I haven't been on much and JUST saw your PM from January lol. I'm glad my build was a helpful inspiration!
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Hello PandaSPUR,


I have just seen your message right now ! thank you

Everything is good so far no maintenance needed besides cleaning the air filter, and adding a little bit of water each month (it evaporates trough the fill port)


But I will make changes very soon, Z97 mobo with i7-4790k + another watercooled 290x lightning !

the motherboard will be the GA-Z97-UD3H-BK. good enough for my setup, will let it on passive air cooling though.
CPU waterblock will be an EK supremacy MX


the 290x lightning is very hard to find, I missed an auction for like 10 seconds yesterday because i woke up late !! nerd rage !
    
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It took me a month, but i am now finished at least !
result is beyond expecations, noise level greatly reduced, graphic power upgraded by x2.5


New parts :
- Z97 Mobo : GA Z97-UD3H - Black Edition
Why this mobo :
- not expensive
- 8 phase digital phases , top notch mosfets (Gigabyte's "ultra durable" thing)
- it has intel network chipset (much better than realtek or the "killer" chips)
- crossfire compatible, with PCI slots sitting just right for my build (remember those 2x 180mm rads ! cards have to fit in the middle)
- good audio chipset (ALC1150 isolated from the rest of PCB). Better thing out there before going for a dedicated soundcard
- the black edition is stress tested for a full week at factory (I saw a video, they test only the CPU/memory/first PCI express port)
But still, it greatly lower the risk of a DOA

No watercooling block exists for this motherboard unfortunately, but the airflow is great in my case so it's not a problem.


- CPU : i7 4790K
The king of chips. Well for games anyway. It would only bow to the new skylake i7.
It hesitated a lot with a skylake build, but stayed with the 4790k at the end because :
- in games, only 10% upgrade between a 4790k and a 6700k
- need for DDR4
- no "black edition" motherboard. Bioses are young and problems are likely to arise.
- motherboards, DDR4 and i7 6700k were hard to find when i ordered the parts, and prices were rising for the few left

Waterblock : EK Supremacy MX
the "MX" line is realy a raystorm killer ! good flow, good price, and only 2 degrees difference between a supremacy MX and a EVO


- GPU : another MSI 290x lightning, with the EK waterblock and backplate





Case Mod !

I decided to mod my case.
In this case, all the airflow is provided by 3x 180mm Air Penetrator fans in the botom of the case.
It's great, but not optimal, because the holes in the case are small and dot not even align well with the fans !

See this picture :







you can see how all this metal is blocking optimal airflow.
This summer, with only 1 Graphic card, i had to push the fan speed to remain below 50 Degrees CPU (wich is the comfort zone of AMDs FX CPUs)
Since my new build has 2 290x, i needed some improvement.
the 180mm APs have a switch to chose between "high mode" and "low mode"
My goal is to be able to keep the APs in their "low mode" while gaming

So, i used some grinding skills, and cuted all this unecessary metal !
process was :
1 - wear integral safety goggles, gloves, mask
2 - I cut the metal with a grinder (outside because it's really messy). I left a bit of metal on the edges.
3 - filed down the metalic edges (outdide too)
4 - blowed the metalic dust (outdide too)
5 - at home, used a lot of disposable wet paper towel to clean the remaining dust (you dont want to use a regular towel because metalic dust is nasty and bad for health)
6 - used a black sharpie pen to hide the grinder marks on the paint
7 - ordered a new custom magnetic Deciflex Filter (black magnetic 510x200mm OD)

result is great ! there is just enough metal left to assure rigidity to the case, hold the radiator, and to stick the custom Demciflex filter (wich is on it's way from south africa)







finished build :



I improved the tube routing since last time.
Pumps suspension is better too

I added a eSata + Molex bracket too. Orange cables are ugly but it allows me to plug my backup Sata drive very easily without opening the case.

PS : i know that the tube near the PSU is too long. I made it this way, just in case I need to goo for a bigger PSU (titanium 1200/1600w)





Benchmarks

I decided to buy 3Dmark on steam just to be able to test my new toy biggrin.gif
I like it because it's really good to test gaming abilities of a PC.


Fire Strike Ultra (4k 64 bits mode) : 5160 - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6075944
Sky Driver : 38701 - http://www.3dmark.com/sd/3385900


Temperature and noise during the benchmark :

Ambient temps is 21.5C
I left the APs in "low mode". the 2 fans at the top are controlled by baybus and run at 7 volts (i can't hear them)
the 2 Pumps are udervolted at 8-9 volts with my koolance CTR-SPD12X2 Dual 12V Pump Controller

In this configuration, my LCD screens make as much noise than my PC ! (just a little coil noise typical from LCD screens)
I can say that my rig is pretty silent

I closed all the applications except steam before to run the test
Frame limiting is disabled, but usually i set it at 60FPS (refesh rate of my LCDs, so no need to go further)



CPU temps : 51C max during physics test in both benchmarks
I guess physics calculations is done by the CPU because AMDs cards don't support it (Nvidia's pattent)


First graphic card : GPU : 32-47C , VRM : 23-28C
Second graphic Card : GPU : 25-31C, VRM : (not recorded by MSI afterburner)

There is a great difference of temperature between the 2 cards. Plus the second graphic cards RECEIVE the water from the first card, so it sould be hotter, not colder.
So i dont Know ! maybe thermal past / waterblock application i did on first card is wrong.
Anyway, 50C is still great and I will live with it !


I may do stress tests later (OCCT etc), but I prefer gamer's benchmarks more

edit : just done a XTU benchmark : score is 1091, and 66C highest CPU temperature
http://hwbot.org/xtu/share/281719




Thanks for reading ! my little girl greets you all !


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1 thing you can do to get lower temps is remove those 2 180mm rads and the 120mm rad at the top. the 2 1800mm rads arent doing much and that 120mm rad is doing even less.
no, i dont want to hear an explanation of how well it works. we all know sandwiched radiator dont work. its been proven over and over.
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