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post #1361 of 2813
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Originally Posted by etplayer View Post

Nice. I wouldn't be worried if everyone agreed the mice were 390dpi, or 385dpi it'd just be nice to know that it's less than random as to what you get

Well mouse surface is going to make a difference and I'm not saying agsz did his test wrong but it is easy to end up with inconsistent results with an extra few mm or cm of movement. I myself found it to be consistent on my EC-A. I consistently end up with 383-385 and I've done the test at-least 20 times now on a QCK.
post #1362 of 2813
Well mouse surface is going to make a difference to what the DPI is. I myself have found the EC-A to consistently hit 383-385 on a QCK and at this point I've done the test over 20 times. It can be easy to get mixed or inconsistent results with a few extra mm or cm of movement during the test which is what agsz results look like.
post #1363 of 2813
Ok, so I finally received my EC2-A in the mail today after a post office issue. I haven't had a chance to test it in game yet..but I'm going to give my first impressions here, and add to them as I spend more time with the mouse.

Shape: Well, I made the right choice with the EC2-A for my hands. The mouse is light, easy to handle and I can palm it with relative ease. That being said, I do have 2 issues with the shape that I think will go away over time. My first issue is.. I feel the arch could be slightly bigger. Coming from a Deathadder and having used one for so many years.. this mouse doesn't quite "fill" your palm like a deathadder does. It fits more "loosely" in the palm, and I think that's because the DAs have a larger hump/arch profile to them. The EC2 length is perfect. The width is perfect. I think this is something I will adjust to over the next week. My other issue is the right side of the mouse, where your ring & pinky finger rest w/ a palm type grip. At least for me, where my ring and pinky finger end up lying, it's not perfectly flat like a DA wise. You end up having to rest them on a slight contour, like a very small ridge. If you are familiar with a DA, you know how the main mouse buttons have this contoured mold to them? Well, same kind of thing here... very slight but enough to be felt. I think most people including myself would feel more "in control" of the mouse if they had a flat surface to rest their ring & pinky finger on. Again, I think this is something I will adjust to over the next week of using the mouse. Overall: The shape is very comfortable. I'd rate it an 8/10.

Coating: Kind of slippery with dry hands. The EC2-A has a very "satin-esque" feeling coating. I'm a guitar player.. so this coating gives me the same kind of feeling a satin guitar neck gives me when I run my hand up and down the neck. Very slippery. No "stick". That being said, I think the coating will offer more grip for damp/sweaty hands. It feels GREAT in your hand. Very "Airy". If that even makes sense. It also feels much more high quality than the original coatings found on my 3.5/4G deathadders. My hands don't tend to sweat too much but do get damp after a good amount of intense gameplay.. so I'll have to report back on grip levels.

Main Buttons: I... LOVE THEM. One of my main issues with the deathadder series is how light the main button clicks were. I have gotten many accidental clicks, particularly mouse2, on my latest DA2013. With the huano main switches.. this problem disappears entirely. However, they are still light enough to press a ton without developing any sort of strain. They are very positive feeling when clicked. A satisfying click. A good amount of tactile feedback. I'd highly recommend the huanos used in the main buttons for people who feels Omrons are too light for them, or they have issues with mis-clicks. You can rest your fingers on the switches all day long and never get a mis-click. Both left & right mouse buttons are equal in terms of actuation force required. No RMB being "lighter" than LMB, etc.

Side Buttons: Zowie can do better. Coming from the DA series, this is the one area of the mouse that I feel Razer beats Zowie on. The side buttons have a good amount of travel to them, and mine are still brand new. They are very easy to reach, and click...but feel mushy due to how much pre-travel they have. That being said, maybe zowie does this to prevent mis-clicking.. who knows. I know that due to how mushy they are, it makes it impossible to ever click on accidentally from just having your thumb in the wrong place. That being said though, they are still VERY usable and shaped well. There big enough to be reached & hit with ease... but for some people.. this may be the deal breaker for them. If your coming from a Deathadder, especially the 4G/2013... you will of been spoiled by that mouse. No mush. No pre-travel. Just satisfying/firm clicks. It's going to take some to time to get used to the difference. 6/10 if I had to rate them. Usable but improvement is definitely required.

Cord: Wow. And to think I used to believe razer cables were the best since they were the first I used which were braided. Turns out, maybe that's just a mouse "fashion" trend. Ha! Anyway, you'll never have to worry about fraying with a zowie cable since it's not braided. It's very ply'able, very soft, but seems durable. If you treat the mouse will, it will treat you well. It has far less friction on a mouse pad due to the lack of braiding... so if you don't use a bungee(or tape) then this will feel better to you than ANY braided cable ever will. It won't drag as much on your mouse pad, and the cable itself feels very light in comparison to your typical cable. Think of it this way, back in the day hardly any peripherals used a braided cable, and they all worked fine. So will this. Love it.

Scroll Wheel: Ok. One of the main areas of the mouse that people complain about. I am not one of them. The scroll wheel feels very defined, and tactile to use. If I had to compare, this wheel feels very similar to the old DA 3 and 3.5G wheels. The DA2013 has gotten old and has developed some slop, so it's not safe to compare them really. That said, the mouse is still brand new so I'll have to update this post should I see any accidental scrolls in game. I bind jump to scroll down in CSGO so that could be a problem if it happens... BUT as it stands right now, the wheel itself feels good, positive... it's not one of those scroll wheels that are lightly moved. Each notch has definition, and it takes a decent amount of force input to spin the scroll wheel, but I like that honestly. My only issue is the notchs could be more defined. You can feel them just fine but not as satisfying as other mice with defined scroll wheels. I'd say it's average. Not bad. Not terribly good either. 7/10.

And that leaves me with the sensor/feeling: Well, considering I've only gotten to use this mouse within the desktop.. I don't have the full story BUT I've already noticed direct improvement or at least "perceived" improvement over the DA2013 and it's sensor. It feels more raw. It doesn't feel as "floaty" as my DA2013 does. The first thing I noticed was, when moving the mouse VERY slowly.. the cursor movement seemed more fluid. Not nearly as "jumpy". When I would move my DA very slowly @ my 800 DPI setting.. the cursor would often seem like it was "skipping" along. With the EC2-A's 3310 -- it's fluid in movement. As far as precision goes, there's no way for me to know without spending a good amount of time in-game with this mouse..which is where I'm headed off too now.

I've tested the mouse with the mouse movement recorder on it's default 1000hz, and it is stable. Also, the LOD is PERFECT. I set my DA2013 up for surface calibration and I had my LOD as low as it would go.. and this mouse feels identical in terms of the LOD out of the box. Very low. Perfect for low sensitivity play.

So, sorry for the short novel here. I will update this post as time goes on, and as most say... you need to take every "first day review" with a healthy grain of salt. I may discover some gremlins, or I might not. It really is a crapshoot.. but I just wanted to get this info out there for anyone considering purchasing the EC2-A or the EC1-A for that matter as well.

PS: I don't mind the LED lit scroll wheel. Infact, the purple 800 dpi step looks rather awesome. wink.gif

Edit 1: I forgot to mention the mouse feet. SO MUCH BETTER than the deathadders. Much better glide. Absolutely no issue with "catching" on my goliathus. This mouse glides so effortlessly.. so combined with the fact that zowie gives you a spare set.. I have to rate the glide and the mouse feet a 10 out of 10. The thing that can change my score is how fast the feet wear out.. so we'll see. I don't know how anyone could not like these large feet honestly. This mouse is on another level from the deathadder in terms of glide.
Edited by KFieLd - 10/20/15 at 10:04am
post #1364 of 2813
Enotus Mouse Test

Mouse: @msmouse.inf,%hid.mousedevice%;HID-compliant mouse

Model: Zowie EC-2A

Resolution: 800 dpi

Polling speed: 996 Hz (If set to 500hz, I get 500 exactly every time I test)

Max speed: 1.82 m/s (57217 points/s) \good\ (This is not the max tracking speed... this is only how fast I moved the mouse during the test)

Precision: 99.8 % (0.15 m/s) \excellent\

Smoothness: 8.1 % \ok\ (5% at 500hz polling)

Debug data: [('58', '1.00'), ('58', '0.95'), ('59', '1.00'), ('58', '1.02'), ('57', '1.07'), ('50', '0.92'), ('57', '0.99'), ('57', '1.02'), ('57', '0.96'), ('55', '0.99')]



Deathadder 2013

Polling goes from 985 to 1015.. not sure if thats better or worse. The Zowie stays very consistent around 995-1000hz.

Smoothness anywhere around 11.5% to 14%.

Precision: 98.5% was the best result I got.

Anywhere, not real sure how much faith I should put into this program. The ECA was more consistent across the board however.



UPDATE: I am getting much better results with the mouse set to 500hz polling rate. Smoothness has went down by 3-4% and polling is stable at 500hz every time I test. Is this normal? This is with the zowie of course. I think I will be leaving it at 500hz. The mouse seems more precise/controllable at 500hz. 1000hz seems almost like acceleration even though I know it isn't. The only way I can describe it is as if I have more "control" over the cursor.
Edited by KFieLd - 10/20/15 at 8:18pm
post #1365 of 2813
Are there any other mice with very similar shape and size of the ec2-a? I'm sick of the dodgy mouse wheel this one has
post #1366 of 2813
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Originally Posted by KFieLd View Post

Enotus Mouse Test

Mouse: @msmouse.inf,%hid.mousedevice%;HID-compliant mouse

Model: Zowie EC-2A

Resolution: 800 dpi

Polling speed: 996 Hz (If set to 500hz, I get 500 exactly every time I test)

Max speed: 1.82 m/s (57217 points/s) \good\

Precision: 99.8 % (0.15 m/s) \excellent\

Smoothness: 8.1 % \ok\ (5% at 500hz polling)

Debug data: [('58', '1.00'), ('58', '0.95'), ('59', '1.00'), ('58', '1.02'), ('57', '1.07'), ('50', '0.92'), ('57', '0.99'), ('57', '1.02'), ('57', '0.96'), ('55', '0.99')]



Deathadder 2013

Polling goes from 985 to 1015.. not sure if thats better or worse. The Zowie stays very consistent around 995-1000hz.

Smoothness anywhere around 11.5% to 14%.

Precision: 98.5% was the best result I got.

Anywhere, not real sure how much faith I should put into this program. The ECA was more consistent across the board however.



UPDATE: I am getting much better results with the mouse set to 500hz polling rate. Smoothness has went down by 3-4% and polling is stable at 500hz every time I test. Is this normal? This is with the zowie of course. I think I will be leaving it at 500hz. The mouse seems more precise/controllable at 500hz. 1000hz seems almost like acceleration even though I know it isn't. The only way I can describe it is as if I have more "control" over the cursor.

This is the type of data I've been looking for. Have you experienced anything similar to what I have using the EC2-A compared to the DA 2013? I have the EC1-A, but it feels like micro-movements do not even track (400/800 DPI @ 1000Hz), and the DA 2013 feels 100x better.
post #1367 of 2813
Not so far no. For reference, I play CSGO at 800 DPI /1.75 in game sens..and I'm now using 500hz polling instead of 1000hz. I just got done playing CSGO for the last 3-4 hours.. all game-modes. The very first game I joined with this mouse was a typical DM session, and I went 50/12. I had to lower my sensitivity from the DA2013 set at 800 DPI. I went from 2 in game sens to 1.75 ... Aiming feels effortless. Tracking is EXCELLENT. And I mean excellent. I find it so much easier staying locked on peoples heads while moving. The one thing I'm having to get used to is the increased glide of the zowie feet over my deathadders...and of course I'm still not quite there. But the place I noticed the biggest difference was when using pistols, and going for head shots with a USP, 5.7, Deagle, etc. It just seemed effortless. I think the lower weight of the zowie is certainly contributing to the change I am seeing.

When I first started experimenting in windows, the mouse felt "loose" when set to 1000 polling rate. For whatever reason. When I switched the mouse to 500, I immediately felt more in-control of my movements with it, that's the best way I can describe it. So far that is the only odd thing I have noticed. My DA2013 @ 1000hz did not feel "loose" like this.

The only thing I'm having trouble with at the moment is AWP flick-shots. I'm over-aiming a bit... but I contribute that due to the increased glide, and the fact I've only gotten 4 hours with the mouse under my belt.

Edit: I'd also like to make note of the fact that so far during gaming, I've had no issues with maintaining grip on this mouse once my hands start to get moistened up with sweat (albeit I don't sweat much at all). I can do fast flicks without losing control of the mouse. I originally thought the coating was going to be too smooth to maintain a firm grip on, but I'm happy to report that wasn't the case. Time will tell though.
Edited by KFieLd - 10/20/15 at 8:38pm
post #1368 of 2813
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Originally Posted by KFieLd View Post

Not so far no. For reference, I play CSGO at 800 DPI /1.75 in game sens..and I'm now using 500hz polling instead of 1000hz. I just got done playing CSGO for the last 3-4 hours.. all game-modes. The very first game I joined with this mouse was a typical DM session, and I went 50/12. I had to lower my sensitivity from the DA2013 set at 800 DPI. I went from 2 in game sens to 1.75 ... Aiming feels effortless. Tracking is EXCELLENT. And I mean excellent. I find it so much easier staying locked on peoples heads while moving. The one thing I'm having to get used to is the increased glide of the zowie feet over my deathadders...and of course I'm still not quite there. But the place I noticed the biggest difference was when using pistols, and going for head shots with a USP, 5.7, Deagle, etc. It just seemed effortless. I think the lower weight of the zowie is certainly contributing to the change I am seeing.

When I first started experimenting in windows, the mouse felt "loose" when set to 1000 polling rate. For whatever reason. When I switched the mouse to 500, I immediately felt more in-control of my movements with it, that's the best way I can describe it. So far that is the only odd thing I have noticed. My DA2013 @ 1000hz did not feel "loose" like this.

The only thing I'm having trouble with at the moment is AWP flick-shots. I'm over-aiming a bit... but I contribute that due to the increased glide, and the fact I've only gotten 4 hours with the mouse under my belt.

Edit: I'd also like to make note of the fact that so far during gaming, I've had no issues with maintaining grip on this mouse once my hands start to get moistened up with sweat (albeit I don't sweat much at all). I can do fast flicks without losing control of the mouse. I originally thought the coating was going to be too smooth to maintain a firm grip on, but I'm happy to report that wasn't the case. Time will tell though.
Weird, I had to up the sensitivity going from DA -> EC1-A, and I put the replacement skates on since they seemed to have less friction, hoping that would help. The way the sensor is implemented or whatever, the EC1-A just feels less precise than the DA 2013. I have NOT yet tried 500 Hz though, but I'm really doubtful that will make a difference.
post #1369 of 2813
I would try it and see if you notice the same thing I did. I felt more precise at 500hz. Idk why.
post #1370 of 2813
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Originally Posted by KFieLd View Post

I would try it and see if you notice the same thing I did. I felt more precise at 500hz. Idk why.
Alright, going to do so now. Try out 1000 hz and see if it felt like I said if possible. I also changed the LOD to the "Original Setting", since coming from a DA 2013, which has higher LOD by default since I don't use 'Surface Calibration'. Also, I mainly raised the sensitivity due to the DPI stages being off by 15-20 dpi on the EC1-A, and the DA 2013 being ~410 dpi when set to 400.
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