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Zowie isn't innovating though. They are moving the whole industry backwards. We've now got good "optical" sensors that have advantages that "laser" sensors had such as adjustable CPI in small increments and being able to fine tune the LOD. Zowie is moving everything back to the days when optical sensors only had one or two native CPI steps and everything else was interpolated. They are effectively hamstringing their own products because of a pointless marketing gimmick.

A good, no BS mouse is all I want. If that's moving 'backward', then the industry wasn't moving forward in the first place. And where the hell does it needs to go to anyway. It's a freaking mouse. You put your hand on it, you click buttons, cursor goes there. I don't need anything more. Just make it good.
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post #142 of 2813
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A good, no BS mouse is all I want. If that's moving 'backward', then the industry wasn't moving forward in the first place. And where the hell does it needs to go to anyway. It's a freaking mouse. You put your hand on it, you click buttons, cursor goes there. I don't need anything more. Just make it good.

 

So you think being able to use full sensor functionality is "BS". You don't understand why it's important to be able to change CPI in 50cpi increments, like the PMW-3310 sensor is capable of, so you think it must be just rubbish.

post #143 of 2813
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man a 15ms click delay is not failing when the majority of the people who purchase the products don't notice the defect.

i said they should fix the issue (like 3 times now), is that not enough to calm you down or are you going to keep on with this relentless moral droning about how a 15ms click delay is ruining an entire company?

from the zowie site..

If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.


1%. they will do it for 1%

how in the name of clown cursor potato shape snakeskin oil coating r0ach jeeebus is a 15ms~ click latency not hilariously bad compared to <0.5ms

Every single FPS gamer will want the lowest click latency they can have, the one that shoots first, usually does not die, given equal skill and gear, the 15ms will make that guy lose, ever. single. time.

Just because hes 15ms behind the other guy.

Also, it all adds up, 15 ms here, 16ms there(if 60 fps, 8ms if 120fps/hz) a bit extra there for video card rendering, some more over there for the potato driving the clown cursor cart into the ditch

Its not like they havent had the chance to fix it.

On another note, has anyone tried soldering in different switches for the Zowies?, Or is it a firmware crapshoot they made, in which case it should be "easy" for them to fix with a firmware update
post #144 of 2813
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from the zowie site..

If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.


1%. they will do it for 1%

how in the name of clown cursor potato shape snakeskin oil coating r0ach jeeebus is a 15ms~ click latency not hilariously bad compared to <0.5ms

Every single FPS gamer will want the lowest click latency they can have, the one that shoots first, usually does not die, given equal skill and gear, the 15ms will make that guy lose, ever. single. time.

Just because hes 15ms behind the other guy.

Also, it all adds up, 15 ms here, 16ms there(if 60 fps, 8ms if 120fps/hz) a bit extra there for video card rendering, some more over there for the potato driving the clown cursor cart into the ditch

Its not like they havent had the chance to fix it.

On another note, has anyone tried soldering in different switches for the Zowies?, Or is it a firmware crapshoot they made, in which case it should be "easy" for them to fix with a firmware update

 

 

Source here for those wondering.

 

Quote:
 ZOWIE GEAR has no ambition to become the biggest manufacturer of competitive gaming gear. We just want to be the best. If we can develop products that will increase a gamers performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.

 

They can't even live up to their mission statement and they don't even try.


Edited by Dreyka - 1/16/15 at 5:44am
post #145 of 2813
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If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can
post #146 of 2813
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If we can

 

Others can do it so why can't Zowie. I don't think Zowie even tried because they didn't think anyone would measure click latency.

post #147 of 2813
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from the zowie site..

If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.
If we can develop products that will increase a gamer’s performance by just 1%, we will do it. This is our mentality.


1%. they will do it for 1%

how in the name of clown cursor potato shape snakeskin oil coating r0ach jeeebus is a 15ms~ click latency not hilariously bad compared to <0.5ms

Every single FPS gamer will want the lowest click latency they can have, the one that shoots first, usually does not die, given equal skill and gear, the 15ms will make that guy lose, ever. single. time.

Just because hes 15ms behind the other guy.

Also, it all adds up, 15 ms here, 16ms there(if 60 fps, 8ms if 120fps/hz) a bit extra there for video card rendering, some more over there for the potato driving the clown cursor cart into the ditch

Its not like they havent had the chance to fix it.

On another note, has anyone tried soldering in different switches for the Zowies?, Or is it a firmware crapshoot they made, in which case it should be "easy" for them to fix with a firmware update

I agree entirely. I don't agree with anyone downplaying the problem regardless of their opinion of how it will affect their play. Saying nonsense about how pros can play fine with it and you should just practice instead of complaining about flaws is attempting to change the subject because you have no argument.

Zowie cannot paste that 1% crap in every product release page and then release mice that have almost the highest amount of click latency of all recent mice including tiny ODM shell using companies like Finalmouse. I can maybe understand Zowie selling mice with this problem back in the EC1/EC2/AM/FK days because they were new to mice but after nothing was done with the many FK refreshes it's simply unacceptable to me.

I would be using an FK2 right now if the click latency problem was fixed.
post #148 of 2813
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I agree entirely. I don't agree with anyone downplaying the problem regardless of their opinion of how it will affect their play. Saying nonsense about how pros can play fine with it and you should just practice instead of complaining about flaws is attempting to change the subject because you have no argument.

Zowie cannot paste that 1% crap in every product release page and then release mice that have almost the highest amount of click latency of all recent mice including tiny ODM shell using companies like Finalmouse. I can maybe understand Zowie selling mice with this problem back in the EC1/EC2/AM/FK days because they were new to mice but after nothing was done with the many FK refreshes it's simply unacceptable to me.

I would be using an FK2 right now if the click latency problem was fixed.
So you think the click latency on their mice makes them completely worthless? Because that's usually how people act when they talk about Zowie's click latency.
post #149 of 2813
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So you think the click latency on their mice makes them completely worthless? Because that's usually how people act when they talk about Zowie's click latency.

 

 

It's something that Zowie should improve on. Rather than have apologetics who constantly shift goal posts to defend Zowie. Nobody here thinks Zowie is terrible but they can and should improve.

post #150 of 2813
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So you think the click latency on their mice makes them completely worthless? Because that's usually how people act when they talk about Zowie's click latency.

I wouldn't say worthless but they have known about it for a long time now without any fix. Many people are skipping their products because of it. Mainly those 1% guys that Zowie is supposedly focusing on whistle.gif
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