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hmmmm


I've test again

I have plugged into my computer;

1x logitec control unit
1x Saitek control pad
1x Razer lycosa KB
1x Razer Lachesis mouse
1x USB Bluetooth controller
1x USB wireless device
1x Tritton 5.1 surround headset attached to onboard audio ( which is suppose to be worst )
1x Ati video card
1x Nvidia video card
1x Acer lcd monitor 1920 x 1080 2ms responsive


I've always set in realtek control panel, the 24bits 192000Hz option, I use the windows media player to reproduce 320 Kb audio files as Flac audio files



and, I don't understand what you talking about...

can't your problem be related to something else?
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post #102 of 258
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Originally Posted by NotAgain View Post

Speakers or headphones? If it's speakers you probably have a ground loop, and ground loop isolating audio cables should fix the problem. Audio cables not power cables - anything which removes the ground (safety) from power is dangerous.

I reduced this intereference to very accetable level by pci-e extender cable.... The more space between soundcard and graphics card the better!!



Unfortunately there is new issue now with this cable... I have no more left/right unbalance from time to time because now the sound card stops working completely and only fix is reset PC (disable then enable in device manager doesn't work for this).
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Originally Posted by leakydog View Post

I reduced this intereference to very accetable level by pci-e extender cable.... The more space between soundcard and graphics card the better!!



Unfortunately there is new issue now with this cable... I have no more left/right unbalance from time to time because now the sound card stops working completely and only fix is reset PC (disable then enable in device manager doesn't work for this).

I'm pretty sure the cable, unless heavily shielded, is much more prone to interference than just plugging in the audio card next to the GPU. Ribbons are also notoriously bad at power transmission and usually require external power.
post #104 of 258
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What exactly is proper mouse movement and how do you measure it?

^ this.
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I'm sorry, but no, it's not an interesting read. He does this all the time. Literally every single thing PC related affects your mouse according to r0ach. Soon it will be 120mm fans are worse for mouse movement than 140mm fans, but some 140mm fans are better than others, and then tell you which ones to buy or upgrade to.

There is zero evidence, as always, with r0aches posts. He just makes statements and some people believe it like they believe anything told to them as long as it's presented reasonably. It's time the mods did something about this as he does it so often and no one really confronts it, so people start to listen to him and think that when he talk about a new issue, it's something worth taking note of.

The guy is just pulling this out of thin air, and i feel a bit sorry for him. Either he is testing his mouse over and over and over in turmoil day after day over the smallest, stupid things, tweaking motherboard settings, testing testing testing, try ps/2, testing testing testing, try LLC voltage high, testing testing testing, and so on, OR he is troll posting and making up stuff whenever he feels like it.

Either way it's not healthy.

if this is the case we are dealing with a member suffering from a mental illness. could be any of several problems up to and including schizophrenia.

anyone know this guy IRL to maybe get him some help?
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post #106 of 258
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I'm pretty sure the cable, unless heavily shielded, is much more prone to interference than just plugging in the audio card next to the GPU. Ribbons are also notoriously bad at power transmission and usually require external power.

If you want to insulate your connector a cheap solution is aluminum insulation seaming tape. it's basically heavy weight tinfoil that is sticky on one side. Good for lots of stuff. You can get it at any hardware store.

please read my earlier post though. You may be suffering delusions, and help is available.
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post #107 of 258
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if this is the case we are dealing with a member suffering from a mental illness. could be any of several problems up to and including schizophrenia.

anyone know this guy IRL to maybe get him some help?

What we have is a group of people from sites like Guru3d that like to build computers with 2 to 4 graphics cards for no reason, that doesn't even offer good performance in anything but benchmarks, that become angry when told their computer is not useful whatsoever for gaming. Most of these people become furious upon seeing the name r0ach.
post #108 of 258
I realized I could just use a rifle in CS:GO to create a sound-intensive environment for polling tests as you have to hold down M1 for MouseTester either way.

With the audio device enabled:



Again, variance up to a whole milisecond shows up.

With the audio device disabled:



Polling is 50 microsecond precise throughout the swipe.

Disabling C1E, SpeedStep, switching from balanced to high performance power plan and setting clock resolution to .5ms improved polling precision. The result with enabled audio device:



Another thing that did something was changing the priority and assignments of the host process of the audio service. Assigning a single core increased polling precision significantly and lowering process priority strangely had a negative effect while increasing it had a positive effect. Not sure there's anything else I could test the effect of. Maybe different HPET settings and chipset drivers (USB filter drivers, PCI data bridges). For now I guess my recommendation would still be to disable any CPU clocking and parking services, to use the TimerTool and to maybe screw around with process assignments and priorities of both csgo and the audio svchost. I will be able to do tests with native 1kHz mice next weekend.

Just create an offline server and give yourself an AK. Minimize, hit MouseTester's "Collect", ALTTAB back into CS, give framerate time to stabilize and do a quick swipe while holding down M1. Then you can go back to the tester and look at the results. Would be interesting to have more people check their systems and screw with settings/drivers/components.
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post

I'm pretty sure the cable, unless heavily shielded, is much more prone to interference than just plugging in the audio card next to the GPU. Ribbons are also notoriously bad at power transmission and usually require external power.

There IS external power cabel to the sound card, you can see it on the photo... and NO... this solution really helped a lot in case of interference! Belive or not.
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post

What we have is a group of people from sites like Guru3d that like to build computers with 2 to 4 graphics cards for no reason, that doesn't even offer good performance in anything but benchmarks, that become angry when told their computer is not useful whatsoever for gaming. Most of these people become furious upon seeing the name r0ach.

Possibly true. How does this apply to the mouse problem you seem to be having? I can't seem to find a cogent description of the actual problem. You must admit this makes things look a bit weird.
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