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Bought one of two sold in Europe. Still one left (ships from the UK):

http://www.ebay.es/itm/PC-Sound-Card-Creative-SoundBlaster-X-Fi-7-1-SB0460-Computer-Upgrade-PCI-/381122205569
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Originally Posted by DVLux View Post

This sounds about as reliable as snake oil... So how does the sound card affect mouse movement, again?
TL:DR
It doesnt.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kommz13 View Post

What exactly is proper mouse movement and how do you measure it?

Having some kind of consistency in mouse movement between different generations of hardware and OS's like XP, Win7, and Win8.1.
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Originally Posted by eBombzor View Post

With newer motherboards losing PCI support these days, what would be the best PCI-e alternative? The Soundblaster Z or something else?

I guess the Soundblaster Z with no driver installed. Either that or possibly running sound off the HDMI port of the Nvidia card.
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Originally Posted by Bloodcore View Post

What kind of effect do you think it'll have if someone bought an external DAC with HDMI support?
And then run audio through GPU HDMI port.

This was something I wanted to try myself, but I haven't gotten around to it. It might be the best option as long as your Nvidia card doesn't treat it as running dual monitor mode, assuming you aren't using passthrough and running the sound off it's on port. Some monitors also have digital and optical out on the monitor, so you could then do this easily without having to run video in passthrough.
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

That old X-fi has the three modes right? Audio creation, entertainment and gaming. Did you test for any difference between them?

Just tried gaming mode so far. I assumed it would be the best realtime choice, but I guess with Creative, you never know.
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TL:DR
It doesnt.

Oh please, you got one of those ridiculous mafia pictures from Guru3d or that British overclock site. All those people care about is installing 4 video cards for no reason to run benchmarks all day. Even changing the bitrate from 24bit (default on x-fi) to 16bit DVD or CD quality in the control panel has a huge effect on mouse cursor movement. Either Windows audio stack is not optimized well at all, or that's just the nature of audio on a system.
post #24 of 258
Did you try turning off "Windows Audio" & "Windows Audio Endpoint Builder" in services.msc?














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r0ach,

What is your beef with a USB DAC + Amp combo re: latency?
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post #26 of 258
Audio Creation mode is the "purest".

If you have a "drunk funny uncle clown swamp cursor", perhaps that will keep his boggy hands off your pointer...
   
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Audio Creation mode is the "purest".

If you have a "drunk funny uncle clown swamp cursor", perhaps that will keep his boggy hands off your pointer...

Just tested it, the difference between game mode and audio creation mode isn't much, and I think I favored game mode. The biggest changes are from turning off CMSS 3d, EAX, Crystallizer, then the following changes:

Go into speaker configuration and change to 2.0 Stereo:



Then turn full range speakers off:



Then change bitrate from 24bit 48k, to 16bit 44.1k



Then disable enhancements:



I also go in the control panel afterwards and uninstall the control panel, the x64 control panel, and openAL. Uninstalling openAL with the Audigy 2 on Win 7 gave weird issues, but it seems to be fine uninstalling it with X-FI on Win8.1.

Overall, the X-FI drivers are more bloated than Audigy 2, and you will probably get better mouse results on Win 7 with an Audigy 2 since Creative gimped all of the card's software features on purpose to try and force people to upgrade, but in reality, them removing all that stuff actually helps with mouse movement. If you use Win 8.1 or go to Win 10, the Audigy 2 driver isn't really an option, and you'll probably need to use Soundblaster Z with no driver installed, or X-FI PCI and all the various steps above.
Edited by r0ach - 1/15/15 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Kommz13 View Post

What exactly is proper mouse movement and how do you measure it?

Having some kind of consistency in mouse movement between different generations of hardware and OS's like XP, Win7, and Win8.1.

consistency in what though? assuming you are using a mouse that has no accel/pixel walk/etc ! i m asking because i ve used lots and lots of soundcards, at one point i think i had 3 differente sound cards in my pc....
what am i looking to measure for exactly?
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post #29 of 258
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I just tested this card on a second computer, an Asus Z77 board. The PCI-E Soundblaster Z with no driver installed is better on the ASUS, while the PCI X-FI was better on the Gigabyte. Since PCI is no longer native, I guess there's going to be some board / BIOS implementations it works better on and not so good on. I added a warning about this in the original post.
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consistency in what though? what am i looking to measure for exactly?

Anyone that's used computers since the DOS / Windows 3.1 days and various hardware and OS's since then should have a pretty good baseline of what a mouse is supposed to and not supposed to feel like, it can't really be explained. People who have their first operating system as Windows 7 and have never used a CRT before just won't have a valid frame of reference.
Edited by r0ach - 1/15/15 at 4:57pm
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I just tested this card on a second computer, an Asus Z77 board. The PCI-E Soundblaster Z with no driver installed is better on the ASUS, while the PCI X-FI was better on the Gigabyte. Since PCI is no longer native, I guess there's going to be some board / BIOS implementations it works better on and not so good on.
Anyone that's used computers since the DOS / Windows 3.1 days and various hardware and OS's since then should have a pretty good baseline of what a mouse is supposed to and not supposed to feel like, it can't really be explained. People who have their first operating system as Windows 7 and have never used a CRT before just won't have a valid frame of reference.

Maybe you're just crazy. Mice in the DOS days were ball mice with HUGE latency and tracking issues by themselves alone. Basically every piece of hardware you installed had to fight over a single lane of transportation. Memory and storage space was so limited that you were reading game data directly off of floppy disks, with all the latency that included. Etc.

The early days of LCD monitors with their 60ms+ panel latency are the only time that mouse movement could have ever possible been worse than the days of DOS and earlier. Even that is questionable considering the vast improvements to the rest of the system in the same time period.
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