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Originally Posted by Forma View Post

I'm sorry, but no, it's not an interesting read. He does this all the time. Literally every single thing PC related affects your mouse according to r0ach. Soon it will be 120mm fans are worse for mouse movement than 140mm fans, but some 140mm fans are better than others, and then tell you which ones to buy or upgrade to.

There is zero evidence, as always, with r0aches posts. He just makes statements and some people believe it like they believe anything told to them as long as it's presented reasonably. It's time the mods did something about this as he does it so often and no one really confronts it, so people start to listen to him and think that when he talk about a new issue, it's something worth taking note of.

The guy is just pulling this out of thin air, and i feel a bit sorry for him. Either he is testing his mouse over and over and over in turmoil day after day over the smallest, stupid things, tweaking motherboard settings, testing testing testing, try ps/2, testing testing testing, try LLC voltage high, testing testing testing, and so on, OR he is troll posting and making up stuff whenever he feels like it.

Either way it's not healthy.

I can confirm that he's right on most of the stuff he posted.
I went through almost all the settings he posted on similiar threads and they made a huge difference decreasing overall input lag of the system and removing mouse deadzone.
Especially disabling all the bs in BIOS, helped my system and other people's systems post a couple of seconds faster and decreased DPC latency.
Although there are still some settings I'd disagree with him having a negative effect like "Human Interface Device Access" Windows Service, on most of the stuff he's spot on.

I also believe having fans connected to mobo headers create a noticeable difference on mouse movement. I even feel PSU values like ripple and possibly voltage regulation do create a huge difference.

It is possible you might not be sensitive enough to feel the difference or you have some other bottleneck clogging up your system.
post #42 of 258
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Originally Posted by Sazexa View Post

Well, maybe there is some/total accuracy to your post.
I've never seen anything else by the original poster before.

But what I can say, is perhaps some other influence was affecting it, or it was the age of the mouse, but when I had my old Performance MX and a Xonar Essence STX in my build, I would have some stutter on my mouse movement. Or drops where I'd move the mouse and nothing on screen happened. With my current PC and a newer of the same mouse, everything is smooth. So it very well might just be coincidence.

Trust me he does it all the time, he once came up with a bogus 20+ step bios "fix" to fix your mouse lag.
post #43 of 258
GUYS WE ALL BEEN DARN WRONG!!!!


The secret to perfect mouse movement is to have no mouse at all!!!!! ERROR FREE ZOMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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All that effort, and for what? To compete at the highest level of gaming? which he doesn't do? And the people that do, don't care about these settings to improve.

Like an average joe buying the most expensive track shoes, spiked at 45degree angles, with high grip bonds socks, adidas high rise green shorts, arms swinging with thumbs, hair gelled slightly back to get the best personal 100m sprint. But will never compete against Usain Bolt, nor has any chance to.
post #45 of 258
You should here him go on about nvidia drivers and which versions are better.

To be honest, I recently went from GTX660Ti SLI to a single r9 290. My system got a lot smoother too. But then I sold my motherboard and CPU and now I have nothing.
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PSH I dont need to hear what he says about nvidia drivers. We all know the oldest drivers are the fastest and bestest for BSODs or errors. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
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I can confirm that he's right on most of the stuff he posted.
I went through almost all the settings he posted on similiar threads and they made a huge difference decreasing overall input lag of the system and removing mouse deadzone.
Especially disabling all the bs in BIOS, helped my system and other people's systems post a couple of seconds faster and decreased DPC latency.
Although there are still some settings I'd disagree with him having a negative effect like "Human Interface Device Access" Windows Service, on most of the stuff he's spot on.

I also believe having fans connected to mobo headers create a noticeable difference on mouse movement. I even feel PSU values like ripple and possibly voltage regulation do create a huge difference.

It is possible you might not be sensitive enough to feel the difference or you have some other bottleneck clogging up your system.

Problem is, you cannot confirm it. It's just your feeling. This is all it ever is - a few folks feelings, and I've never been a fan of making assumptions without evidence. I'll give you an example: I can confirm what he says doesn't work. If i said this, you'd instantly have a problem with that. It works both ways. But the burden of proof is absolutely on r0ach to validate his quite outlandish claims.

If it was just one or two posts, that would be fine, i certainly wouldn't have said anything, like i haven't the other 40 times he#s made posts like this. but his posts are starting to dominate this sub forum with little recourse. Like i said, you pretty much know that every week he'll have a new thing that affects mouse movement to tell us all about. It#s embarrassing. The mouse manufacturers out there must think we are all a bunch of lunatics around here.
Edited by Forma - 1/15/15 at 9:11pm
post #48 of 258
It's a feeling till someone comes up with a way to measure it like it's been done with mouse click latencies.

USB isn't an ideal connection type for mice and it gets affected by pretty much everything running on a mobo. R0ach's findings shouldn't be too hard to confirm by someone well-versed in mobo R&D processes.
post #49 of 258
Didn't read the whole thread.. but has anybody suggested/looked in to HT|OMEGA sound cards? I love my Claro II.. enough to the point that I decided to go with Z97 instead of an X99 build due to no pci slots. I haven't noticed any mouse problems with the Windows 8.1 drivers. The ASUS and Creative X-Fi cards both use rebranded CMI87xx chips (ASUS for sure.. X-Fi to the best of my knowledge does too), and customized drivers (poorly modified drivers probably where the problems exist). HT|OMEGA's Claro, Claro II (both are pci), and e-Claro (pci-e) use the CMI 8788 chip, and the Striker (pci) uses the CMI8770. Granted the HT|OMEGA offerings do cost a bit more than the ASUS/Creative alternatives..
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post #50 of 258
Soundcard installation CAN absolutely affect input response. I've personally experienced it as a result of using my ASUS Essence STX in my Rampage IV Black. I installed the card in the very bottom x16 slot with a total of 3 GPUs also installed in PCIE x16 slots and got a *very* noticeable mouse response problem. It also caused my second GPU to run at x8 instead of x16 which is obviously closely related to the mouse input lag. Using the same sound card on a short x4 slot fixed these issues.

On my Maximus VII Hero the issue doesn't exist.
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