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yeah and I am not going to. They could atleast offer an upgrade option with less cost or something for everyone who already owns the content.

 

 

Agreed. A discount would be nice, but that's totally at From's discretion.

 

 

Basically this all boils down to buyers regret. Any time you buy something something bigger and better is always going to replace it. Sometimes it's sooner sometimes it's later. 

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I don't think you understand what I wrote, actually. You said (and I quote) "re-purchase what they already purchased in order to get an arguably smaller set of content." That is false. Completely false. Scholar of the First Sin is bigger in every way. No matter what people had before hand, anyone that purchases SFS will be getting an upgrade from what they had. And yes, a discount would be a good idea, to help win over some good-will from fans. They absolutely should NOT be expected to do it (entitlement), but it would be a smart business decision.

You are arguing over how I described Scholar's instead of my point that FROM should be doing a win-win with early adopters..... headscratch.gif . We technically agree on the same point aside from the conclusion that everyone who does not want to pay has an entitlement problem instead of simply not wanting to have to double-dip.
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This is NOT a paywall! A paywall is when content in 1 game is locked until you purchase it. Paywall content is special weapons in an f2p game that only purchasers can get. Paywall content is when certain campaign missions are locked except for pre-orderers. A paywall is when an MMO is "free" except that they cap you at level 20 if you're not a subscriber. A paywall is when DLC for a game is programmed in from day 1, is in the release code, and is unavailable unless you purchase it.

A paywall is NOT when a game developer delivers a fully functional product to users, and then delivers a separate game later on and charges for it. GOTY editions are not paywalls. Director's Cut editions are not paywalls. Enhanced Editions are not paywalls.

This part is just a pointless debate on semantics. I described paywall as being an excess of currency required to access certain content instead of paying for the content itself, rather it would be more apt to call it unnecessarily forced double-dipping for those who already have the game. Apologies for the confusion.

The point being that existing players have to pay more to access content that new players get instead of just paying the difference. As far as games I own turning into GOTY, those versions are almost always aggregations of the game with DLC that is available to purchase separately (regardless of pricing), even new directors cut content. Locking new content to GOTY/DC/EE version and asking people to pay full price for something they already own falls under what I described as forced double-dipping.
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You guys do know that the biggest gripe with SOFS is that it splits the community, right? DX11 cant play with DX9 (current) players and saves wont transfer. I believe thats why most people are upset.

^ This. They are not being very smart when their releases segregate their customer base.
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I'll still be passing on anything Dark Souls II related after their bait and switch nonsense the first time around, now trying to sell the bait is just even more disgusting.
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Ye fracturing an already very shrunkin community is not great =/

Should have been a £10(dlc price) update for original owners and the £23 that it is for new people and let both play together - great compromise.
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Ye fracturing an already very shrunkin community is not great =/

Should have been a £10(dlc price) update for original owners and the £23 that it is for new people and let both play together - great compromise.

A discount would be a good business decision, but what about the people that bought DLC versus those that didn't? I guarantee some players would think it's unfair that they bought DLC and yet they have to pay the same price as those that didn't.
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Please leave out the insults when debating other people.
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A discount would be a good business decision, but what about the people that bought DLC versus those that didn't? I guarantee some players would think it's unfair that they bought DLC and yet they have to pay the same price as those that didn't.

Had not thought of that.

They get the same update we do(we being owning the full game and all the dlc) I.e graphical and the extra little w/e is incoming but not the dlc. As that is basically all we want to pay for, is a small sum for the graphical update not have to buy the entire game again when we already bought the full game and all the dlc's.
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Well since my whole post got removed for a one-liner objectively describing an attitude to a customer base, this'll be my last discussion on this.

You can call it entitlement or whatever but at the end of the day FROM is a business and makes products for their customers. If the customer dislikes what they provide then it is up to FROM to adapt the situation. Re-releasing a game at full price with additional content that forces double-dipping is not a smart business decision, not to mention the segregation of the player base and save files. People who have already played the game will most likely not bother with this until a patch comes out that sync's both versions (calling Durante anyone?).
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I wonder how this will affect the pvp community. I'd like to play some more 150 pvp if I didn't have to suffer through so much bs. Then again I've got other things to do, and bloodborne is coming.
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Well since my whole post got removed for a one-liner objectively describing an attitude to a customer base, this'll be my last discussion on this.

You can call it entitlement or whatever but at the end of the day FROM is a business and makes products for their customers. If the customer dislikes what they provide then it is up to FROM to adapt the situation. Re-releasing a game at full price with additional content that forces double-dipping is not a smart business decision, not to mention the segregation of the player base and save files. People who have already played the game will most likely not bother with this until a patch comes out that sync's both versions (calling Durante anyone?).

That is definitely true, but it can get to the point where consumers expect too much.

We obviously disagree on where that line is, but I think this is past it.
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