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Poll Results: AIO Or Air

 
  • 58% (20)
    Air
  • 29% (10)
    AIO
  • 11% (4)
    Other
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post #1 of 80
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Hello All, Come april its time to replace my current cooler unfortunatly since i bought it the thread holes instantly perished and with the heat in my flat im not sure its the right choice or somethign out there is better choice.

Ambient Temps - 20-25C Winter 30-35C Summer Time Doors Open

My Current AIO is Cooler Master Sedion 240M, Stock Temps Idle 30-35C Load 45-60C Depending on use at time

Im looking for a AIO Suggestion or Air to best deal with the high Ambient temps and keep system cooled. My Usual system temps sit at 35c inside the case also with the fans set at 50% Current case is Corsair 540 Air

Thanks In Advanced
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post #2 of 80
well your not going to see a difference. Ambient temp is ambient temp. the only thing that truly combats ambient temps is a custom loop with a water bong cooler attached. which can be vary hands on. heres a thread on it http://www.overclock.net/t/1503843/my-bong-cooler-build-log-evaporative-cooling. there are other threads too just search OCN for water bong and it will pull them up. but i you just want a newer better AIO loop grab a Enermax LIQTECH 240.
post #3 of 80
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I will take look in the morning
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post #4 of 80
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I must admit they look very interesting I just thinking about size and placement might be issue due to 4 year old and cats
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post #5 of 80
Essentially there isn't a lot of difference between the 2 in performance... I personally use AIO's as I move my PC in the boot of my car every other month or so, however they are more expensive.

AIO Pros:
-'Safer' during transit
-More aesthetically pleasing (arguably)
-Easier to do more clean builds
-Heat goes right out of the case

AIO Cons:
-More expensive for no improved performance
-Can leak (although I don't feel this is an issue anymore as the tech has improved)
-Pump failure

Air Pros:
-Some prefer how they look
-Few components to go wrong

Air Cons:
-Take up waaaaay more room, RAM and mobo heatsink issues
-If you will fill all your fan slots anyway, you'll have to spend more money on fans (a bit of a flakey argument, but is something that would influence me, as 2 additional fans is an extra £20-30 which could make up the difference for the AIO)
-Heat is dumped inside the case
-Less portable/mobo strain

Essentially its up to you, if you have a huge ATX case and don't move it air cooling is a good option, especially in a work environment, the 540 is the 540 air for a reason wink.gif
post #6 of 80
tbh I think you should stick with that cooler. you can't get much of an upgrade with a seidon 240M unless you go custom water
post #7 of 80
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KaffieneKing View Post

Essentially there isn't a lot of difference between the 2 in performance... I personally use AIO's as I move my PC in the boot of my car every other month or so, however they are more expensive.

AIO Pros:
-'Safer' during transit
-More aesthetically pleasing (arguably)
-Easier to do more clean builds
-Heat goes right out of the case

AIO Cons:
-More expensive for no improved performance
-Can leak (although I don't feel this is an issue anymore as the tech has improved)
-Pump failure

Air Pros:
-Some prefer how they look
-Few components to go wrong

Air Cons:
-Take up waaaaay more room, RAM and mobo heatsink issues
-If you will fill all your fan slots anyway, you'll have to spend more money on fans (a bit of a flakey argument, but is something that would influence me, as 2 additional fans is an extra £20-30 which could make up the difference for the AIO)
-Heat is dumped inside the case
-Less portable/mobo strain

Essentially its up to you, if you have a huge ATX case and don't move it air cooling is a good option, especially in a work environment, the 540 is the 540 air for a reason wink.gif

Thank you for that, and yes it is named air for reason but i think tbh my fans are also issue im still using the stock fans came with case that arent to be fair brilliant in pushing air thourgh my case. Also i used to have tower cooler and yes it performed better by about 2C on idle but the space took up was just such a restriction over my RAM
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tbh I think you should stick with that cooler. you can't get much of an upgrade with a seidon 240M unless you go custom water

I have debated custom in the past but i personally have no experience in part listing for loops i have seen some great builds with my case due to the dual chamber facility. i will replace it due to i only got literally 3 screws holding it too my case due to the thread not biting the screws. would there be a improvement though much in temps with the full loop as still the heat dump for GPU if i didnt include it in loop
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post #8 of 80
240M is very good cooler, like really good and really silent! Stick with it.

I doubt the best air cooler can match it in performance.

In my experience, air cooler only competes against the best AIO in open air casing. Once in a normal casing, the breaking point of their heat transfer is much lower than AIO.

In other words, it may keep your CPU cool and competitive until a certain degree and stress duration, once past that, its heat transfer will breakdown and will lose out to the best AIO by 3-8 degrees easily.

AIO transport the heat away from your case.

Aircooler circulates it inside!

That is why Asus recommends 2x120mm AIO minimum when OC HWE!.
    
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post #9 of 80
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I cant disagree is does hold its own it held 70C at 4.6Ghz OC on my 4690K but the fans broke in 1 week obviously the initial fitting experience wasn't the best. i appreciate your input but i mounted it top case so the worry is it will eventually fall.

Obviously i eventually would like to put GPU on AIO or Under water which i could use a single 140MM rear my case.

Does Push & Pull config actually make difference on a AIO?
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post #10 of 80
Air cooling hands down! Either go air for full WC loop. The only preassebled you should consider is the Swiftech H220x or H240x.

Air coolers will give equal or better temps than AIO, they cost less, much more reliable (I had 2 AIO pumps die on me), and here is a big one, MUCH more quiet!

I will just leave this here (made by doyll)



The thread this is from is also worth a read, http://www.overclock.net/t/1531372/noctua-nh-d15-vs-aio-coolers/0_20
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