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post #11 of 23
Watsup man, i sure do know you spared no expenses on making this build. The most expensive CPUs, the most expensive videocards, etc etc.

1)How much did it all cost ? Is this your personall computer ? You could have gotten a good car for the money !

Anyway, im not here because of that, but becasue i also have a Z10-PE D8 WS system, albeit with more sane E5-2690v3 CPUs. I payed 1850 EUR for each when i bought them, now they are 500 eur more expensive each, my god !

Anyways, here is the complete system that i have.

I have a 750ti EVGA, as video card.
A Excelsior PCI EXpress to MSATA, where a Crucial m4 256gb M-SATA SSD sits as windows/gaming drive.
32GB ram per CPU for a total of 64gb ram installed, DDR4 2133 Mhz, 16gb Samsung Modules.
One Pci Express Silverstone ECU01 USB 3.0 board that houses 2 x 19 pin usb 3.0 ports, for a total of 4 USB 3.0 connections, all connected through a 2x pci express connection.
I also use the two 19 pin usb 3.0 connectors on the motherboard itself.
  • First 19 pin USB 3.0 Connector on motherboard gets connected to 2 USB 3.0 ports on the front,
  • Second 19 pin USB 3.0 Connector on motherboard gets connected to another 2 USB 3.0 ports on the front of the case
  • The First 19 pin USB 3.0 Connector on the Silverstone is connected thorugh a Y-Splitter to 2 USB 3.0 HUBs placed internally inside the case, these are powered directly from the computer PSU, one USB 3.0 slot from the 19 pin USB 3.0 connector to one USB hub each. I am using these to connect the lots of Aquacomputer watercooling gear inside the case directly, like Poweradjusts, flow meters, pumps, AquaAero, etc
  • The Second 19 pin USB 3.0 Connector on the Silverstone ECU01 Card goes to a bit FEnix USB 3.0 card reader, one slot goes to the card reader, the other slot goes to a USB 3.0 port that sits on the card reader chasis, its this one here.

I also got 2 optical drives, one normal, one slim, etc, these are not important

Further down the road, i got a Samsung 32" 4k IPS FreeSync monitor connected to the video card via a triple shielded DP cable, 3m long.
I also got a LIGAWO 4x4 HDMI Matrix, with 4 inputs and 4 outputs,

Inputs are
  1. PS4
  2. XBOX One
  3. My PC
  4. Wifes Laptop

Outputs are
  1. Monitor HDMI 1
  2. Monitor HDMI 2
  3. Samsung 55" TV HDMI 1
  4. Samsung 55" TV HDMI 2

This one needs to be powered for it to work. The HDMI Matrix is connected to all the outputs and inputs using double shielded HDMI cable,

On the PC itself, and by that i mean on its motherboard, i got connected a network cable from the router, and a USB 3.0 cable that goes on an external USB 3.0 Hub, where i got connected all my outer peripherals, except for the mouse and keyboard, that are plugged directly in the usb Ports of the motherboard.


Here is the problem that i have:
If i leave these all connected and described, the motherboard doesnt boot, it gets stuck at what i later found to be code B2
If i disconnect the USB 3.0 Hub from the outside, network cable, and leave connected only display port to the monitor, mouse and keyboard, the same.

I can however go pass this if i leave connected the video card through the HDMI matrix to its HDMI cable, and once im in windows i connect the display port cable, external USB 3.0 Hub and network cable and it works.

1)Could it be that the graphics card is broken, i mean it should work, since having connected only mouse keyboard, and Display port cable shouldnt pose any problem, with it, shouldnt it ?!
This is what i suspect becasue of this;
Anyways, since i have a freesync display, i will eventually have a AMD card, so i ordered a FURY X this week, and i shall see how this one works.

2)The reason i posted here, is not because i wanted to ask you about my problems, allthough i did asked anyway. The Number 2 is the UEFI Issue:
The reason is that together with the FURY X, i also ordered a 512GB Samsung SM951 M.2 2280 PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD, which will go on the motherboard, as the windows drive.
This is the AHCI version, i wanted initially to buy the NVME version, but these are no longer to be found.

The thing is i plan to install Windows 10 on this SSD drive, and retire the crucial SSD as the windows drive. When i look at windows 10 requirements, it says it needs "UEFI 2.3.1 Secure Boot enabled".

I have no ideea if the Asus Motherboard supports this, and if Windows 10 could be installed at all. Since you have talked about UEFI, perhaps you could enlightnen me.
Normally i have done some research myself, and i know since i bought the motherboard, that the motherboard somehow has UEFI Bios.
Asus states that the motherboard has, and i quote:

128 Mb Flash ROM, UEFI BIOS, PnP, WfM2.0, SMBIOS 2.6.1, ACPI 3.0, ASUS EZ Flash Utility, ASUS CrashFree Technology

but it only says UEFI Bios. Before i actually received the motherboard, i was happy i would get to have an UEFI bios, with nice mouse and keyboard interface, like i saw on the newest motherboards, as before this motherboard i had the ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS, and this one didnt have any UEFI.
After i installed the motherboard, to my surprise, it had the same old Blue screen Bios we all know our motherboards had, and no fancy UEFI what so Ever.

Now therese talk about UEFI 2.3.1. Secure boot enabled as requirement for windows 10 install, UEFI bios in GPUs, etc, and i have yet to see any fancy UEFI GUI with the Z10PE-D8 WS.
Does this motherboard have a fancy UEFI bios, or it does have UEFI, but no fancy GUI ?

Apart from this, booting this motherboard seems to take ages, as it needs to enumerate and check all the attached stuff, like raid, intel boot manager, etc etc. I thought i was passed this since UEFI promised somehow faster boot times, especially if you had UEFI VideoCards (Whatever that means)
Isnt there a fast boot method, and UEFI option that this motherboard has ? Perhaps you know more about it, since i havent been able to find anything about it. People with these motherboard are very few, perhaps we should open on owners Thread here on Overclock.net, what do you say ?
Edited by Bytales - 8/1/15 at 5:12am
post #12 of 23
Ok so i got it i needed to have GPT Partition in order to use UEFI, i probably didnt have that, and i will make it so with the new SSD, but is there a fancy GUI (graphic user interface) Bios with UEFI enabled ?
Does it cut the posting/booting times when UEFI is used.

Cause the way it is now, after i press the power button i gotta wait like at least 3 minutes before i see the password input field in windows 7.

Hopefully with the 2Gb/s Samsung SSD, Uefi and WINDOWS 10 these will be things from the past.
post #13 of 23
I have this board too. You can check the setup in my sig, I have completed it few weeks ago.

To be honest, I was disappointed. This was supposed to be tweaking-friendly board. Aka next gen version of Z9PE-D8 WS, but this is not the case. I was thinking about this, deciding between this board and one from Seprmicro X10D series, and perhaps I should have went with the supermicro. I had Asus KGPE D16 dual G34 AMD WS/server baord in the past and it was fine, so I went with Asus again, based on this experience and uugh. Anyway, I'm running win 7 x64 and have all EFI stuff diabled. The problems or negative points I see on the board:

- The DDR4 slots. Only one side holds poperly. The other is the custom push-in mechanism without any lock. This can be cool on some gaming board where you plug 2 modules but its ultimatelly bad and more prone to the memory sliding off the slot. Those things have no business on Server/WS board they belong to consumer products.

- The bios is lacking many things and is very buggy in general.

- It it is about 50/50 if it detects my USB keyboard on post. I do not press any keys to make it stuck on purpose, nope. It is just like that. Thank god except the annoying sound it continues to post and win initialize it correctly during bootup.

- The post times are huge. Only short post times are after proper shutdown and normal power button push start, but even those are randomized. Sometimes the board takes 5 seconds to post, sometimes 15. Worst are SW restarts. The board resets and the post-code display starts the post process and suddenly boom, it shuts down, power up again and starts all over, does the longest possible post sequence and then finally posts. Aka it restarts slower than if you do full power down/up.

- Memory tweaking seems bugged. It ignores freq settings, there are no latency settings, and turning off ECC on memory resulted in slightly worse performance for me, should be the other way around.

- Serious compatibility issues. Is incompatible with one of my sound cards and also with Highpoint 35xx series raid controllers. The raid bios loads fine, but the board then fails to boot afterwards. No matter if you try to boot from Sata or the raid field the moment it should hook the boot sector it gets stuck.

- The HW monitoring in my case shows wrong numbers. It reports about 1,7-1,8v on vcore on both CPU's (real is 1,15v accoring to CPU-Z and intel XTU), and if I manually undervolt the memory (greatly reduces its load temps) it reports it as error and I have to set it on ignore.

- The optical tosslink audio out is garebage, thank god I do not use it (pops every time new audio track starts after the audio has been idle for a while).

- You cannot move the FSB at all. Max is about 103, but if you touch it all the USB 3.0 controllers go off (same thing has been reported from the supermicro boards, so it may be realted to the chipset). The board does not even allow adjusting multi, L3 multi, FSB strap and such, what if I use a CPU that has it unlocked (like the single socket E5 series)? Same goes to CPU voltage tweaking. I can tweak bunch of voltages but not the main vcore one? Z9PE-D8 WS had all those things. It can actually be adjusted in SW way, the intel XTU utility is capable of undervolting the CPU, unfortunatelly it controls only the primary CPU, as this utility was not made with MPS in mind, so the possibility is there, Asus just did not add it in the bios.

- It was actually not stable from the get-go. I could benchark, stress test just fine, but during normal use the system would often fall to BSOD, or black screen, or black screen + LED under primary CPU shining. This took me days to figure out. The cause was bugged CPU power management. Disabling C6 and enabling C3 (tho they explicitly say there it is not recommended) finally fixed the problem and the system is now rock stable for weeks. I'm using the latest bios, I tried older bioses, but those tend to fail completely, aka post once, and even if you save the defaults never post again.

Now, some of those points may be related to the fact that I'm using ES CPU, and it is ES of a model that did not exist in the end, aka it is not ES of any real CPU, it is experimental 160W 12core TSX enabled haswell-EP. But once again, I expected better. The lack of vcore and memory controls are not realted to the CPU and kinda lackluster compared to its own Z9PE-D8 WS predecessor.

The good? Performance. It just rocks in all the areas (but those are the CPU's not the board). QPI controls and tweaks also work fine, I found home-snoop mode to be optimal for non-numa aware apps.



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Dear dear God (Which doesnt exist, its just an expression)
I got E5-2690v3 two CPUs.

At some point i decided it was finally the time for me to buy an original Windows so i got me Windows 8.1. Bad call, 3 to 4 BSODs per day, no matter what, so after a month i finally fixed it, i reinstalled Windows 7.

If i set everything to UEFI, wont it cut down post time ?

That was the plan, install windows 10 on a 2280 Samsung SSD, and use a Fury X as video card, which hopefully is UEFI ready.

I could always change the motherboard, but man, its going to be a pain in the ass.
If i can make it work with windos 10, thens its good, as im interested in no overclocking what so ever, thats why it doesnt bother me that Fury X doesnt overclock and the same with the CPUs.

What Supermicro motherboard would you have choosed, i was looking a bit here and a pretty solid one is X10DAC.

At least here is stated that it has UEFI 2.3.1, the exact same requirement for windows 10 if im not mistaken.
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Win10 does not demand any UEFI, its just an option. I do not use it cause I'm working with raid controllers that do not support it.

In theory, if all you have is UEFI + the Os too, you can set the fastboot so there is basically no HW re-initialization during the post, which should significantly shorten your post-times.

Anyway, I did not try win8 on this yet. I was not even interested cause it is terrible OS. Year ago I tried on dual interlagos 2x12Core machine and it offwered exactly zero improvement over win7, so I went back. I will try win 10 in future for sure. Not sure if too soon or ill want till the 10.1 Redstone update. the thing about win10 is they look kinda terrible, aka the win8 way. They are even filled with the spying functions, unless you go full enterprise mode you cannot even disable the windows update (which has historically higher tendency to ruin the OS than the stuff it is supposed to fix). The only redeeming factor of it is DX12, and it will take a while before natively DX12 games arrive. The first generations will be only DX11 ports and it will look like the first DX11 games, or mantle game, aka very little benefit. I mean there was some on AMD compared to DX11 but that was cause of their terrible DX11 driver overhead, if you compare Nvidia DX11 MT drivers with that it gets a lot less shiny.

As it comes to Radeon Fury I would skip it. I cannot even use it. I use HDMI 2.0 TV + IBM P260 CRT aka both which cannot be connected to it. + On top of all it does bad in lower resolutions, its too slow for 4K, has only 4GB of Vram (i can find situations when that is not enough), and it has bad OC potential and worse SW support and it const the same as GTX980TI It would be a terrible pick. Ill give AMd another chance at 14nm, not this. This did not impress me at all, actually the opposite.


Still, no clue why win8 would be unstable for you. The kernel and how it operates with CPU is pretty much the same. The only real difference is that win8 use different internal timers, they calculate them from CPU clock, not just get them reported by bios or by HPET. Anyway, to switch to HPET timing, you need to run CMD as admin and put there " bcdedit /set useplatformclock yes " and then restart, you will be back on HPET timing not the software timing. Also try fiddling with the C3/C6 CPU power saving features, which solved my stability issue.

Anyway, I now have no problems. The only problems that appeared were SW related. For example, HTML5 video player in browsers insta crashes when system has more then 16 threads... so I have to thread-lock my browsers to not use that many. Same goes for numa-disliking apps, for example games, there I have to make sure one sticks to one CPU and does not float over both and then demand cache-data feom the other CPU trough QPI, cause if that happens you lose rougly 20% of the performance, etc. But I know this so no problem, this is not my first numa system by far.

Anyway, the Supermicro X10DAC was the one I was looking at. Back then I decided to go to the Asus road cause of the NVME support, which Supermicro kinda refuses to add with bios updates, they tend to be greedy and release new products with it as a key feature instead... But hey on the other hand it has the SAS HBA ports so that is something. With what I went trough with the Asus, if somebody is thinking about this, go with supermicro.
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So i installed Fury X, got into bios, set it up as in this picture here, the waz the original poster did, and now i get no image what so ever on monitor in any way. It seems this time it is really stuck.
I tried to start the compputer with only the DP connected to the video card, mouse and keyboard, i disconnected all USBs from their 19 pin connectors, and disconnected all other sata ports, except the CDrom where the windows 10 cd is.

Basically i have connected to the motherboard CPUs, RAM, videocard, pciexpress with m.sata disc(previous windows drive), m.2 Samsung SSD, an LG optical drive where the windows 10 cd is.
Nothing !
My god, can it be that complicated ! What should i do now, ? i need to reset the bios to previous settings, cause with this UEFI it seems is a no go !

Without pressing delete it gets stuck at AE Q-Code (Legacy Boot Event) and a bit later on, the cd starts to spin, which probably means it is trying to start to boot from CD (probably the part where it asks to press any key to boot from CD).

If i press delete multiple times during the boot process, it gets very fast at AB or A6 Q-Code, i believe its AB, since AB is Setup Input Wait, probably what it normally displays when you are in Bios.
A6 would be SCSI detect and i dont believe its that.

Either way i dont get any image on the monitor, and that seems to be the problem. Probably i will need to reset in Bios on the Video card, Legacy insted of UEFI.
How the hell am i suppose to do that when i get no image on the monitor now ?

Maybe taking out the motherboard battery while power is plugged off resets the bios to default, what do you guys say ?

If this is the Case with UEFI, i would rather have a working PC that takes a bit longer to boot that a pc that doesnt work at all.
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Great, i tried to reset CMOS with jumpers and it justs loops and resets after a short post.
I tried to get the battery out after this, and the result is the same !

Is the motherboard bricked ?
Unbelieveble !
post #18 of 23
Well, do the standard stuff. Reset cmos once again, pull it all out of case, try starting without any add-on GPU, start on the integrated one (re-enable it with the switch if you have disabled it). If it does not help try switching memory modules, start with only 1 CPU, etc, etc. And yes it can be bricked. From the way you describe it you did nothing wrong which could have broken it really.

Also do keep in mind, that on AMD cards it was common in recent years that the two bioses were not identical, one was legacy and other was EFI optimized. The switch was usually set to the legacy one for obvious reasons. So If you get it working try fiddling with that one when it comes to UEFI boot.

But yeah, this experience of yours only makes me own opinion about this board even more grim.
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I rebuilt everything and made improvements, please go to this thread if you want further details

thank you again


all AIR COOLED:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1586477/my-stab-at-making-a-god-box
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I have read your posts and am curious if any of your issues have been resolved? I have a new build that is very similar to yours and am having the same issues 1) System will not boot through with USB 3 ports hooked up. 2) I can not get my M.2 drive to be recognized as the boot drive, I have the same Samsung 512Gb that you started with, and 3) even when my system does boot into Windows 10 it seems to be incredibly slow. Have you had any helpful feedback to correct any of those issues? I should say that I am running the latest BIOS flash from about 15 DEC 2015. My troubleshooting has been similar to what you have posted, even down to cloning the boot drive onto the M.2 and I have had no luck.I am not new to computer builds, and am very frustrated by this one. It shouldn't have these problems and I have not heard back from ASUS about their suggestions. I would love to hear your current status and see if perhaps we could work out these issues... I REALLY want to like this computer, but these issues are making it hard. I wish I had found your thread before I finished my build - the troubleshooting alone would have saved me days and days.
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Tom (ShadowCat)
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