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Originally Posted by jcde7ago View Post

I actually do see the price for these XB270HUs increasing...the demand is already there, and further perpetuated by all the absolutely glowing reviews from various outlets calling this, "the best gaming monitor ever." You can't find an enthusiast PC hardware or gaming site, blog, etc., where people aren't keeping an eye on this thing or have browser tabs devoted to refreshing product pages just waiting for this thing to go into stock. Unless Acer can reasonably churn these out to exceed demand, it may be a painful wait for some people for the next couple of months, especially once we start to get into Summer, where more people will have more free time to sit around and try to snag one of these to game on all Summer long.

Even the Swift had supply issues in certain parts of the world up to 6 months after it released, and i'd argue that Asus' production quotas are probably larger than Acer's.

This is why I ordered 3 of these on Wednesday off the bat; a) figured it'd be harder to get another 2 down the road to complete my Surround setup and b) I had to take advantage of that coupon that knocked off $240 for three of them, essentially negating tax + overnight shipping costs for us Californians with ~10% tax. thumb.gif

All valid points but I'm doubting Acer would actually increase the price through their own store after reviews, I could only see 3rd parties trying making an extra $100-200 by scalping them (which people will buy because reasons). There's a small, niche demand for this monitor, same as the Swift, I'd say production is proportionate to the demand (if not less since the bigger panels probably have a much higher/stricter quality check). The enthusiast market is definitely growing with the mid range GPUs finally able to push 1080p with ease so I'm betting that's adding to it as well.
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The difference between graphic design and movie calibrations is in how the correction near black is handled and what gamma is targeted. Neither of the two software packages target BT.1886 which is much better for movies and games than sRGB and pure power crushes blacks on a display with this black level so you lose shadow detail (especially bad for games). Targeting BT.1886 everything else (web, etc.) looks great, the difference is that you are changing the gamma curve based on the black level, this allows a higher contrast appearance while not crushing shadows but because our perception of color changes with brightness you do not get a perfect match between displays with different black levels as one would want for graphic design. You also do not correct black or near black because it looks better to have the wrong color black than raised black levels. BT.1886 improves the apparent contrast v.s. a standard sRGB calibration.

Cool, thanks! I'll have to look into BT.1886 a bit more.. thumb.gif
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All valid points but I'm doubting Acer would actually increase the price through their own store after reviews, I could only see 3rd parties trying making an extra $100-200 by scalping them (which people will buy because reasons). There's a small, niche demand for this monitor, same as the Swift, I'd say production is proportionate to the demand (if not less since the bigger panels probably have a much higher/stricter quality check). The enthusiast market is definitely growing with the mid range GPUs finally able to push 1080p with ease so I'm betting that's adding to it as well.

Yep; it won't be Acer upping their costs but rather, retailers will be tacking on an extra $50-150 on top of MSRP, easily. I had to take advantage of that coupon while I could...lol.

Most retailers also did the same thing with the ROG Swift, and its price saw some pretty decent swings, and I expect the same with the XB270HU.
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You sound fun, so i'll gladly back away from this discussion; it's not really worth it to keep going at it.

Yes, I am the villain for providing helpful advice and linking to credible sources instead of posting "I bought and I like it so I disagree," which is uselss in the case of colorimeters. The x-rite colormunkie is the same price as the Spyder 4 Pro (170$), but is more accurate.

There is a reason companies Callman, Spectracal and none of the main (good) monitor reviewers use Spyders.
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The colormunkie has terrible near black performance and I don't believe it offers any more accuracy than the i1d3.

I have not been referring to the old colormunkie spectrometer. The newer 170$ colormunki is pretty much the same as the i1 d3 aside from being slower and having inferior stock software, hence typing that it is the cheapest worthwhile option. The i1d3 is better, but also costs considerably more.
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Yes, I am the villain for providing helpful advice and linking to credible sources instead of posting "I bought and I like it so I disagree," which is uselss in the case of colorimeters. The x-rite colormunkie is the same price as the Spyder 4 Pro (170$), but is more accurate.

There is a reason companies Callman, Spectracal and none of the main (good) monitor reviewers use Spyders.
The 170$ colormunki is pretty much the same as the i1 d3 aside from being slower and having inferior stock software, hence typing that it is the cheapest worthwhile option. The i1d3 is better, but also costs considerably more.

Yep, that's exactly what my post amounts to. Nevermind that i've used both the S4P and Colormunki on multiple identical monitors (4, at one point, while I was deciding which ones to send back due to dead pixel location) and the Colormunki managed to somehow give completely ridiculous, different results over 3 (identical) of the monitors as opposed to the S4P in similar lighting conditions. I'm not the only person that can attest to the results of the x-rite in that way, either.

Also, the S4P price has gone up since I bought it, which I also mentioned in my original post about it. At $89, it was an absolute steal. It was also at $119 a few months ago. If it's the same price as the Colormunki then I implore people to actually use the damn things and see which one provides the better results for their own monitors. I don't need to link to blogs and sites from professionals; most people who've never even looked into colorimeters obviously don't need that level of accuracy from their monitors (i.e., professional use cases), and that was my point. I never ventured into the whole, "hey, let me tell you all about colorimeters and how there are a myriad of options ranging into the thousands of dollars to properly calibrate your gaming monitor which, obviously, you have no professional uses for, otherwise you'd likely have already purchased an entirely different monitor altogether and already have the necessary equipment to calibrate such a display." My argument was always based on the, "hey, OSD and eye-ball calibrating sucks, here's a decent, cheap solution that has worked for me." Keep beating the "this is not what x and y site and company use so your opinion of the z product is invalid" drum though. The people likely to invest in those options aren't looking to OCN to give them that advice.

You'll also find the same level of "credible sources" scattered about the internet praising the S4P and similar products as much as you will the x-rite, but I digress. Now i'll really stop replying to you, as you've got it all figured out. I'm just here spewing my garbage opinions with no basis in reality, don't mind me. thumb.gif
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The Swift is an amazing monitor also. The main difference is the color of IPS on this monitor. So if color is a main concern for you, yes a good upgrade. If color is not a great concern for you then its more of a side-grade.
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considering my swift failed on me after 6 months, that alone (assuming the acer doesnt have a high failure rate like the swift), yes. but even when both monitors are working, i prefer the acer.

Yeah, I enjoy the more vivid colors of IPS as well as its better viewing angles. I might just buy the ACER and then compare the two side by side and sell the worst performer. It will be the Swift most likely... Even though the colors on it are actually quite good for a TN, my out-of-the-box Gamma is rather low and things look washed out without an ICC profile correcting that. Besides that, viewing angles are really poor and the matte coating is rather aggressive, those two are my greatest concerns. The Swift stands no chance against the ACER in these regards. Other than this, I really like my Swift, and it is a hell of a great monitor, yes. No apparent inversion issues here.
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Yeah, I enjoy the more vivid colors of IPS as well as its better viewing angles. I might just buy the ACER and then compare the two side by side and sell the worst performer. It will be the Swift most likely... Even though the colors on it are actually quite good for a TN, my out-of-the-box Gamma is rather low and things look washed out without an ICC profile correcting that. Besides that, viewing angles are really poor and the matte coating is rather aggressive, those two are my greatest concerns. The Swift stands no chance against the ACER in these regards. Other than this, I really like my Swift, and it is a hell of a great monitor, yes. No apparent inversion issues here.

Keep hearing that all the panels have the inversion issue, it's just peoples ability to notice them?
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What's the official release date for this monitor ?
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What's the official release date for this monitor ?
14.3.15 in Germany. There is no "official" release date worldwide for this monitor.
    
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Eh, technically the product is available now and has already been shipping, making the notion of release date seem somewhat confuddeld.
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Keep hearing that all the panels have the inversion issue, it's just peoples ability to notice them?

Probably. Perhaps I have them too, but I'm not able to notice their effects. For instance, I can notice a green trailing on the grey bar in this test at 11, 13 or 15 Pixels per Frame, consistent with inversion artifacts, however never noticed such a thing as "alternate bright and dark vertical lines of pixels".
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What's the official release date for this monitor ?
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Originally Posted by GamingWiidesire View Post

14.3.15 in Germany. There is no "official" release date worldwide for this monitor.

15/04/2015 on overclockers.co.uk. Don't even know when it will hit the stores in Portugal or Spain.
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