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So I am doing my first PC build and have been researching what all I want. I am pretty confident with the list I currently have but I have a few questions. For the record, my main uses of the PC will be gaming, audio recording/production, and schooling. But I want to have 0 performance issues or heat issues in basically anything I want to do. The parts I have selected should give you a good indication of my price range, I want quality parts, but not in the crazy expensive end of the spectrum.

Here is my list as it stands...

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan
Total: $1540.37

Here are my questions...
1. I will probably want to dabble in overclocking a little later on. What are your thoughts on that motherboard? Is it too over the top? I want to have a beastly mobo and then some, but I don't want something in excess to the point where it's just a waste.

2. CPU cooler. Any suggestion for the best CPU cooler at around $60? I'm considering just going for the Noctua NH-D15 or D14, but I've also heard good things about the one I currently have picked out. My question is, would the Cooler Master I have picked out be good enough, especially if I overclock, or do I want to bump it up to something more?

3. I'm pretty set with the Gigabyte video card, because I've heard it's best for tuning. But any thoughts anyone has would be appreciated.

4. SSD. I'm a little confused on some of the price differences on these. I see a 128Gb SSD(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7pd128bw) for $125, and I see a 250Gb SSD(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw) for $122. What is making the first one as expensive as another SSD with 2x the storage??

5. RAM. Right now I'm leaning towards the 2x4gig card I have listed. But my friend, who is also building a PC, is saying I should just go for 2x8gig G. Skill Trident X Series(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f32400c10d16gtx). Any thoughts? 2 reasons I'm leaning towards the one I am: I've heard the fins on the Trident can get in the way of an aftermarket CPU cooler. And I don't know if 16gig of ram will even help me much more than 8.

Last question... Windows 7 or Windows 8.1? Hearing very mixed reviews. Thanks for any and all help, these are the only questions standing between me and making the purchase(s).
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You dont need 850 watts unless you are going to have 3x GTX 970 cards.
And the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is cheap for a reason its okey but its not great.
You dont need 16 GB of RAM if its just for gaming.
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I know the power supply is overkill but I was just going to stick with it because it isn't really that much more expensive than what would be appropriate. As long as it doesn't potentially hurt me in some way I'm fine with it.

Also, is that case fan I added necessary?
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What resolution do you use?

You can check the true spirit 140 power or the scythe mugen max for 50usd

And a 750-650w is plenty
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4. SSD. I'm a little confused on some of the price differences on these. I see a 128Gb SSD(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7pd128bw) for $125, and I see a 250Gb SSD(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw) for $122. What is making the first one as expensive as another SSD with 2x the storage??

According to Samsung specs, the 128GB one is capable of 90,000 IOPS random write while the 250GB one is capable of 66,000 IOPS random write. Not exactly sure how to convert IOPS to MB/second, but I think you can safely say that the first is 90/66 times faster (or 36% faster) than the second in random write speed. They appear to have the same speeds in everything else. It's important that you realize that random write is different from sequential write. Random write is the ability to write to many different parts of disk, whereas sequential write is the ability to write to one single part of the disk.
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I'm starting to toss around the idea of downgrading the mobo to something like Gigabyte GA-Z97X(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97xud3hbk), the SSD to Samsung MZ-7TE120BW(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te120bw), and ditching that extra case fan and maybe a lower power supply. Saving me something like $150 and I could upgrade to the GTX 980. Any thoughts on this? Would it be worth it or should I just stick with the 970 and the list I've got?
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According to Samsung specs, the 128GB one is capable of 90,000 IOPS random write while the 250GB one is capable of 66,000 IOPS random write. Not exactly sure how to convert IOPS to MB/second, but I think you can safely say that the first is 90/66 times faster (or 36% faster) than the second in random write speed. They appear to have the same speeds in everything else. It's important that you realize that random write is different from sequential write. Random write is the ability to write to many different parts of disk, whereas sequential write is the ability to write to one single part of the disk.

So, if I understand, the performance boost here would only really be when writing? I wouldn't see much of a speed increase when using the data on the drive?
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What resolution do you use?
1080 atm but I'm going to get a nice monitor a little later on.
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post #7 of 62
And the new resolution would be?

Also you can do a triple screen
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OP you've done a nice job thus far, and you're asking good questions. Hope I can help.

1. There are cheaper gaming oriented motherboards with equivalent or better feature sets from Gigabyte, MSI, and Asrock that will all be capable of 1.3v overclocks. The Gaming 5/7 lines from GB and MSI as well as the Fata1ity/Extreme Asrock boards come to mind.

That said, I would suggest the Asus Z97 Pro WiFi for you. It provides the features and robustness you want from the motherboard and for around the same price as the Maximus Hero you get a quality AC Wifi built in. This saves you $40 on that inferior TP-Link wifi adapter.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z97prowifiac

2. The Hyper 212 Evo is a good cooler but the stock fan is a bit loud and not terribly efficient. If you spend $25-30 on fans now you're in the $60 range and the cheaper Noctuas are not that much more. I wouldn't suggest a $100 air cooler though on the premise that you "might dabble" in overclocking later down the road. Haswell doesn't have a whole lot of heat to dissapate until you start pushing voltage to it. Instead I'd probably suggest the Noctua NH-U14 or the Phanteks TC-14 which run around 60-70 dollars.

3. Ok

4. 850 EVO is their cheap line, the first with TLC memory. 840 Pro is MLC and considerably faster. Compared to rotating media they're both fast and I don't personally think the 840 Pro is worth the price premium. I'm partial to Crucial and Sandisk ssds myself though. 120GB is more than enough for an OS and normal programs but you'll run out of space quickly with games. My 240 is maxxed with just a handfull. I presume your intent is to put them on the 1TB WD Blue drive, in which case 120gb is probably fine. Ideally I'd suggest a 480-512GB SSD and forego the WD Blue drive all together but they are still around $200 for all but the cheapest models.

5. G-Skill Ares line solves the clearance question, same ram different heat spreader. 8GB is all you NEED, but some of the more recent PC titles are starting to recommend 8GB of ram so if you're planning on running things in the background while gaming or streaming/encoding as you go then you may want to step up to 16GB.

6. Windows 8.1, without question. Windows 7 is in extended support and isn't expected to get DX12. The majority of people who dislike windows 8.1 base it on the metro start screen. Buy Stardock's Start8 or run Classic Shell and those issues become irrelevant and you can benefit from other other improvements to the desktop. And when they release Windows 10 current 8.1 users are most likely to receive discounted upgrades.

Some other items I think you should take another look at:

7. Fractal Design has come out with a new R5 version of the Define, unless you're looking to save money I'd get the new one. TPU has a good review here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Fractal_Design/Define_R5/

8. The Define cases (R4 and R5) can handle 140mm fans througout, I'd spec the larger size instead of the 120mm Noctuas you have listed. Larger fans can typically push more air and/or do so at a lower noise level than a smaller fan of the same brand and type.
     
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And the new resolution would be?

Also you can do a triple screen

Don't really know yet. And by triple screens you mean triple monitors? Probably not doing that unless it's way down the line.
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While I wait for my other post to be approved, I'll inquire about the resolution question.

If you're talking single monitor then the question is 1080p @144hz, WQHD (2560x1440), or UHD (3820x2160) often mislabeled as 4k?
     
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