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NVIDIA will not be releasing high end Volta in 2018, that would be three years without a high end GPU, I would still think high end Pascal in 2017

It would not be 3 years without a new high end card. High end Pascal would be in summer 2016 and high end Volta would be in late 2018 possible early 2019. This would go in line with a generation of gfx card lasting 2 years.

I understand where you are coming from though. I just think were going to see high end Pascal a lot sooner than many think.
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I would still think high end Pascal in 2017

Big Pascal WILL be in 2016. It is already tap'd out. It may be late 2016, but I'll be shocked if it's any later than that.
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It would not be 3 years without a new high end card. High end Pascal would be in summer 2016 and high end Volta would be in late 2018 possible early 2019. This would go in line with a generation of gfx card lasting 2 years.

I understand where you are coming from though. I just think were going to see high end Pascal a lot sooner than many think.

This is a good comment on this situation

Those were the 2 points I made. One is the 16nm fab is new...and untested...and you can't go large and power hungry on first generation chips. Don't believe how unreliable a new fab is? Look at how long it took Nvidia to pick between Samsung and TSMC and finally siding with TSMC due to their longer working history and reliability.

Second point is...they will kill their own sales by offering their best card right at the release of the new generation. They will not be able to give any reason at all to their enthusiast market to upgrade their card within 3 years of launch. Whereas when you look at Kepler, people bought the 680, then the Titan came out, then the 780, and most people who bought the 680 eventually upgraded to those cards. And then when Maxwell launched, they started with just the 750 and 750ti. Then released the 980 that some bought, and finally after a while, the Titan X and 980ti which gave people (enthusiast market, again) a reason to upgrade.

Nvidia likes incremental upgrades. They don't want you to buy a card now, and launch another card in a year that completely destroys the card you bought. They put out one card, then 12 months later they bring out another card that is generally just 10-20% faster, so it's better than what they offered before, but not enough to piss off anyone who bought their last gen cards. And then another 6-12 months later they put out an even better card, with 50%+ better performance than their older cards, and people start upgrading again.

If on day one of the Pascal launch, if they come out with their absolute best card, they are going to have nothing interesting to bring to market for 2 to 3 years until Volta comes out. And that would be silly. Even if it were possible with the new 16nm fab. In terms of business, you need to offer a product that is a bit better than your competition, without being too much better/too costly for you. So they just need to put out a slight performance increase, but sell the card on much lower power consumption, wait for AMD to release something else, and then launch a bigger die version themselves, and back/forth they go. Just a quick reference:

FERMI
GTX 580 = 520mm2

KEPLER
GTX 680 = 294mm2
GTX Titan = 551mm2

MAXWELL
GTX 750ti = 148mm2
GTX 980 = 398mm2
GTX Titan X = 601mm2

Do you see the pattern? Small, Medium, Big, restart. Don't think about it based on die size. Because it's really just about transistor count. Pascal at 16nm, even a 294mm2 sized die like the GTX 680, along with HBM2, would result in performance close to the Titan X...and perhaps even higher due to lower heat/power consumption allowing higher clocks.
Hope that helps.
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What about the ASUS PG348Q then

It is a complete unknown right now as far as quality, retail pricing, release date, etc. I'm looking for something now.
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It is a complete unknown right now as far as quality, retail pricing, release date, etc. I'm looking for something now.

If you had that information, would you wait for it.
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If on day one of the Pascal launch, if they come out with their absolute best card, they are going to have nothing interesting to bring to market for 2 to 3 years until Volta comes out. And that would be silly.

Oh wow. I apologize. I do not have the time at this moment to appropriately respond to your thorough post. Quick thought though...

Just because their first Pascal is a big boy Titan.... does not mean it is truly Nvidias most powerful Pascal.... sure they are msot likley going to market it that way and we all know they will price it that way ha. But, it does not mean a Pascal Titan is truly the most powerful Pascal they got.

I totally agree with you. They will on a yearly basis release a new card that is 20 - 30% more powerful to maximize revenue. Through the whole Pascal lifetime they will release and market the cards to max revenue.

Your telling me a Titan... Pascal... 12 gig HMB2 card being the first Pascal would not sell? People on this site would be going nuts.

Then 3 months later they will release GTX 1080... or whatever they plan on naming it. The reason Nvidia will release Titan before 1080 is to maximize revenue. Get a thousand bucks per card. Who knows maybe it will be more expensive this time.
Edited by Jermone123 - 9/22/15 at 8:49am
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If you had that information, would you wait for it.

Probably not, since the monitor I'm looking at is relatively affordable and can be easily sold or re-purposed as a 4K TV somewhere in the house. I can always buy the ASUS later if it turns out to be decent. thumb.gif
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Just because their first Pascal is a big boy Titan.... does not mean it is truly Nvidias most powerful Pascal.... sure they are msot likley going to market it that way and we all know they will price it that way ha. But, it does not mean a Pascal Titan is truly the most powerful Pascal they got.

I don't think they're going to go back to the 780 style releases (OG Titan > 780 > 780 Ti > Titan Black).

I expect it to be just like the 980 release sequence (980 > Titan X > 980 Ti). This keeps everyone relatively happy, including NVidia themselves.
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If you look at their release cycle you can see that they release a new series card every 12-15 months. They have been doing this for I believe the last 4 series of cards they had, since like the gtx 295. Also, I don't think it is common for Nvidia to release low to mid range cards before their high end.

I think the first pascal we are going to see is a Titan around summer in 2016. No way Nvidia goes nearly 2 years without a high end release. Since when have they done such a thing?

Last 2 Nvidia generations started with low mid range cards and high end followed later on.
You're dreaming if you think you'll see Titan type of card from Pascal summer 2016

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No I mean like GTX 980 16 months after GTX 780 and like GTX 980 11 months after GTX 780ti. Also AMD priority? Read below...

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/memory/38816-nvidia-sorts-out-hbm-for-pascal

Also, this article came out just 5 hours ago...

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/86636-nvidia-pascal-gp100-gpus-spotted-transit-tsmc/

Exactly, you proved my point 980 is not high end card it's a mid range chip marketed as high end just like 680 was.
If by high end you mean cards like 680 or 980 than by all means they will probably releasing Q3 2016 but true high end full fledged chips wont come out till 2017 probably around Q2

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Yeah, it will be Q2 2017 for high end Pascal because of low amount of HBM2 and the normal NVIDIA release cycle, it will be Q2 2016 for low end Pascal


I agree 100% what some people consider to be a 'high end card' is really mid range chip plus new node and HBM2 will delay it further.
Edited by RobotDevil666 - 9/22/15 at 8:53am
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I agree 100% what some people consider to be a 'high end card' is really mid range chip plus new node and HBM2 will delay it further.

Then we agree thumb.gif

I apologize if my wording was confusing.

Excellent point... high end in my eyes is what Nvidia MARKETS the card to be... not what it truly is.
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