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This is really based around the LG TV that will do 4k 4:4:4 @60hz. All of this will be underwater ~July, when my wife has hopefully recovered from me blowing most of our tax return on a PC.

Opinions please! I probably wont be able to build another for 2-3 years, so this one needs to be right!

Update:

So, I have edited this post to take some peoples suggestions. I am going with a lower priced RAM, as benchmarks show little improvements, and DDR4 seems to overclock well. Also, the ASRock WS board has been replaced by a lower model ASUS board that still has the OC socket and an acceptable PCIE layout, and beefier VRM cooling (also read several reviews of major problems with the ASRock board). The PSU was swapped for an arguably lesser unit, but still in the same tier, and wont require painting/modding on my behalf. The Noctura has been deleted completely, as the reduction of component price has opened up a bit of room to pick up some water cooling parts, enough for a CPU loop now. VGA blocks, hard line, and more rads to be added when budget permits.

All watercooling components will be from Performance-PCs, as they are located close enough to make a visit worth the shipping discount. Everything else will be purchased from Newegg along side of their Newegg Premier membership.

Update #2:
Some items changed price, and were unavailable for purchase at checkout. Namely the TV went up signifigantly, so I went with the 49" instead, and the RAM went up by a good chunk. Updated accordingly.
I have tracking numbers for everything but the W/C stuff. Have to make time to get down to PPCS

Proccesor:

5820k
$389


Motherboard:

Asus X99-A
$254


RAM:

Adata 4x4 2400 CL16
$189.99


SLI GPUs:

EVGA Superclocked 980 ACX 2.0
$1119



PSU:

NZXT HALE90 V2 1000W
$149.99


Boot Driver:

Crucial MX100 128Gb
$64


Storage Drive:

WD Blue 1 TB
$54

Case:

Thermaltake X9
$169


Display:

LG 4K 49" (49UB8500)
$1199


Watercooling:

EK-RES X3 EX400 Revervoir
EK CoolStream PE 480 (just one for now)
EK Supremacy EVO Nicke/Acetal (Black)
EK Vario X-Top w/D5 (Black)
EK Vardar 1450 RPM
Monsoon Chain Gun Compression fittings (Black)
Tygon Clear Tubing 1/2"OD
Mayhem Pastel White
 
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Does Asrock have the modified 2011-3 socket? if not....
You should consider the Asus mobos. The OC socket really helps with overclocking cache/uncore.
 
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Does Asrock have the modified 2011-3 socket? if not....
You should consider the Asus mobos. The OC socket really helps with overclocking cache/uncore.
If you're referring to the additional pins, I just read part of a review for Gigabyte's x99 that has this feature and the reviewer pointed out that it was mainly used for LN2 users.

EDIT: Found the link/quote.
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These extra pins are enabled via a DIP Switch onboard, but their relevance is only really towards the liquid nitrogen users.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8804/gigabyte-x99-soc-champion-motherboard-review-low-cost-x99-overclocking
 
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If you're referring to the additional pins, I just read part of a review for Gigabyte's x99 that has this feature and the reviewer pointed out that it was mainly used for LN2 users.

EDIT: Found the link/quote.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8804/gigabyte-x99-soc-champion-motherboard-review-low-cost-x99-overclocking
well... I'm not using LN2 and being able to OC the uncore to 4.4+GHz makes a significant difference in performance, especially memory.
But hey, gotta go with what you like and know.
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Wow, I'm an idiot. I was thinking 4k as the price, not screen resolution.

/carryon
Actually, it is 4k for $4k
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Does Asrock have the modified 2011-3 socket? if not....
You should consider the Asus mobos. The OC socket really helps with overclocking cache/uncore.
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well... I'm not using LN2 and being able to OC the uncore to 4.4+GHz makes a significant difference in performance, especially memory.
But hey, gotta go with what you like and know.
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Like Jpmboy says, If you don't have an OC socket the cache will be stuck around 3.5GHz.
Can you suggest a good motherboard in about the same price range? I just defaulted to the WS board because WS boards are generally solidly built, and the ASRock one falls in a price range I can bite onto. I will be going underwater, and do plan to overclock it a hefty amount (I run my 3570k 5Ghz daily, I aint afraid to push)
 
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Actually, it is 4k for $4k
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Can you suggest a good motherboard in about the same price range? I just defaulted to the WS board because WS boards are generally solidly built, and the ASRock one falls in a price range I can bite onto. I will be going underwater, and do plan to overclock it a hefty amount (I run my 3570k 5Ghz daily, I aint afraid to push)
The Asus X99 deluxe. You can also buy a 4.5GHz 5820K from silicon lottery for about retail price to make sure you get a decent sample.
 
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Actually, it is 4k for $4k
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Can you suggest a good motherboard in about the same price range? I just defaulted to the WS board because WS boards are generally solidly built, and the ASRock one falls in a price range I can bite onto. I will be going underwater, and do plan to overclock it a hefty amount (I run my 3570k 5Ghz daily, I aint afraid to push)
The Asus X99 deluxe. You can also buy a 4.5GHz 5820K from silicon lottery for about retail price to make sure you get a decent sample.
Think I will roll the dice myself on the processor. I can find ZERO information about ASRock having the extra pins, but the delux looks mighty tasty.
 
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You dont need 1000 watts unless you are going to have 3x GTX 980 cards, 750 watts is more then enough for that system.
 
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The nh d15 is worse choice than the AIO like the triton,glacer 240l,eisberg,maelstorm, 220x

For the same price

If you look for better performance 3x290 or for futureproof 2x 290 8GB or if you want more performance then amd fiji will beat the 980 at 4k

A cheaper mobo can.do.the job like the UD5 or gaming 5

There are Better choices on cases for that money with better airflow...

And there is no need for 2400+ given the few performance gain
 
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One thing about 4K TV's .. triple check that it has a display port connection, (or hdmi 2.0) else you will be limited to 30Hz @ 4K... which if you are building a gaming rig is a no-no. Only way to be sure is to down load the manual for that SKU and dig deep. They all claim 120Hz refresh... but that's a ruse 99% of the time.
As far as I know, few to none of the TVs have 60Hz/4K capability.
 
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The nh d15 is worse choice than the AIO like the triton,glacer 240l,eisberg,maelstorm, 220x
I will be doing a full loop in July, the Noctura is a hold over. Really not interested in purchasing a water loop that I cant service myself.
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If you look for better performance 3x290 or for futureproof 2x 290 8GB or if you want more performance then amd fiji will beat the 980 at 4k
No HDMI 2.0, so cant get 60hz, otherwise I would be all over trifire 290s

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A cheaper mobo can.do.the job like the UD5 or gaming 5
I will take a look at the UD5, although isn't there an issue with x99 Giga boards and USB 3.0?
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There are Better choices on cases for that money with better airflow...
Any other cases for <$200 that I can throw (3x) 480 rads in?

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And there is no need for 2400+ given the few performance gain
In the <$300 range for a 4x4 kit, most other kits are 2133 CL 15, so I thought 2400 C13 was a no brainer. If you can show me some data that tells me I am wasting my money, please elaborate!

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One thing about 4K TV's .. triple check that it has a display port connection, (or hdmi 2.0) else you will be limited to 30Hz @ 4K... which if you are building a gaming rig is a no-no. Only way to be sure is to down load the manual for that SKU and dig deep. They all claim 120Hz refresh... but that's a ruse 99% of the time.
As far as I know, few to none of the TVs have 60Hz/4K capability.
I have done the research there. There are only (2X) 4k ~50" that will do 60hz reliably with 4:4:4, this LG (confirmed several places, including a reliable member here),and a way overpriced Panasonic with DP. Its either of those or play the Samsung chipset lottery sets (not going this route.) I already own a 4K TV that wont do 60hz...I know this issue all too well.
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You dont need 1000 watts unless you are going to have 3x GTX 980 cards, 750 watts is more then enough for that system.
I know, its a bit like using grenade launcher to kill a mole...but it has a 10 year warranty, and I have been super pleased with the 1000W G2 I already own. I just know the way I build, and want the headroom to swap/add GPUs. 4K is going to take muscle, and I am not sure that 2x 980s will really be relevant for long.
 
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I think you should bump up to a 5930k if you want to run more than two GPUs in the future.
Also, your RAM is kinda overpriced... I got my crucual 16GB kit off newegg for $179 shipped.
I suggest ditching the NH D15 for something cheaper since you say it's only temporary until you get water. Maybe get an AIO.

Also, what does 4:4:4 mean and how do i know if my 4k TV has it? I have the 75 inch 4k Samsung smart TV.
 
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I think you should bump up to a 5930k if you want to run more than two GPUs in the future.
Also, your RAM is kinda overpriced... I got my crucual 16GB kit off newegg for $179 shipped.
I suggest ditching the NH D15 for something cheaper since you say it's only temporary until you get water. Maybe get an AIO.

Also, what does 4:4:4 mean and how do i know if my 4k TV has it? I have the 75 inch 4k Samsung smart TV.
4:4:4 is color sampling. Most Sammy 4ks wont do 4:4:4 at 60hz, and its a crying shame, because they have the best panels around. I would not be the one to ask about the technicalities, but I do know what it looks like when a set wont do 4:4:4, and text at native scaling becomes difficult to read, color spectrum becomes limited, all because pixels don't get their own individual color. It is not a big deal if you are using the set for a living room TV, or if you are using windows scaling to change the size of text.
 
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then wait for the new AMD GPUs soon

if you are going for this PC. how would be bad a temporary coolign that DOES BETTER job for less money?

the UD5 could but for some External Storage?
then the gaming 5 should be fine i guess
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MPIDZMA/

but checking again the prices the Asrock WS has a rebate so it makes it a simple choice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157536&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

the memory sweet spot is on 2133 ro 2400 anythign else is a low gain
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Memory/Kingston-HyperX-Predator-2666MHz-DDR3-Memory-Review/Game-Benchmarks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell/8
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adata-xpg-z1-crucial-ddr4-x99,4007-6.html

AND I dont think you need 3x 480mm rad for just 2 GPUs and a hexa corehaswell
 
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then wait for the new AMD GPUs soon
Soon as in...? I am ready to buy in the next 7-10 days
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if you are going for this PC. how would be bad a temporary coolign that DOES BETTER job for less money?
I want nothing to do with AIOs. If I am going to introduce water into a 2500$ part list, I want to be the one that manufactured it.
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the UD5 could but for some External Storage?
then the gaming 5 should be fine i guess
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MPIDZMA/

but checking again the prices the Asrock WS has a rebate so it makes it a simple choice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157536&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
I kind of like it too, but am still trying to see if it has the extra OC pins. I have not been paying attention to x99 motherboard announcements/reviews, so thank you for the advice.

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That is good information. Thank you.
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AND I dont think you need 3x 480mm rad for just 2 GPUs and a hexa corehaswell
Yeah, probably not. But probably will anyway.
 
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In a month or 2 it will beat a 980 at 4k and the only downside of HBM is the 4GB
AIO=/=CLC
The CLC are closed.usually have a higher price than the performance they give and the coolant evaporates and the pumps tend to unreliable
I actually have a use for the Noctura in another machine (BMO build in my sig), so I am not budging on the CLC/AIO. Water will come in July.

Updated RAM to a cheaper RAM that combos with the 5820k.

If AMD comes with the goods in 1-2 months, then I would be up for selling the 980s and upgrading at that point. I need to build right now, and the next greatest thing will always be right around the corner in the GPU world.
 
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I will be doing a full loop in July, the Noctura is a hold over. Really not interested in purchasing a water loop that I cant service myself.
No HDMI 2.0, so cant get 60hz, otherwise I would be all over trifire 290s
I will take a look at the UD5, although isn't there an issue with x99 Giga boards and USB 3.0?
Any other cases for <$200 that I can throw (3x) 480 rads in?
In the <$300 range for a 4x4 kit, most other kits are 2133 CL 15, so I thought 2400 C13 was a no brainer. If you can show me some data that tells me I am wasting my money, please elaborate!
I have done the research there. There are only (2X) 4k ~50" that will do 60hz reliably with 4:4:4, this LG (confirmed several places, including a reliable member here),and a way overpriced Panasonic with DP. Its either of those or play the Samsung chipset lottery sets (not going this route.) I already own a 4K TV that wont do 60hz...I know this issue all too well.
I know, its a bit like using grenade launcher to kill a mole...but it has a 10 year warranty, and I have been super pleased with the 1000W G2 I already own. I just know the way I build, and want the headroom to swap/add GPUs. 4K is going to take muscle, and I am not sure that 2x 980s will really be relevant for long.
cool. I know of the Panny, great to know that LG has stepped up. If your budget allows, def get the G2, it's a great PSU. I'm running 3 980 strix right now @ 4K and a separate rig with a 295x2 also at 40K/60. 2x980 will be fine for 4K if you back down on some settings (like AA which is meaningless @ 4K anyway).
Hard to believe, but the solo 295x2 does very well with 4K gaming. (3 980s ~ 80-100FPS, 1 295x2 ~ 60-80 fps).

If you plan on more than 2 cards, get a 48 lane CPU. the 28 lane 4-core will impose some limitations.
 
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Originally Posted by inedenimadam View Post

I will be doing a full loop in July, the Noctura is a hold over. Really not interested in purchasing a water loop that I cant service myself.
No HDMI 2.0, so cant get 60hz, otherwise I would be all over trifire 290s
I will take a look at the UD5, although isn't there an issue with x99 Giga boards and USB 3.0?
Any other cases for <$200 that I can throw (3x) 480 rads in?
In the <$300 range for a 4x4 kit, most other kits are 2133 CL 15, so I thought 2400 C13 was a no brainer. If you can show me some data that tells me I am wasting my money, please elaborate!
I have done the research there. There are only (2X) 4k ~50" that will do 60hz reliably with 4:4:4, this LG (confirmed several places, including a reliable member here),and a way overpriced Panasonic with DP. Its either of those or play the Samsung chipset lottery sets (not going this route.) I already own a 4K TV that wont do 60hz...I know this issue all too well.
I know, its a bit like using grenade launcher to kill a mole...but it has a 10 year warranty, and I have been super pleased with the 1000W G2 I already own. I just know the way I build, and want the headroom to swap/add GPUs. 4K is going to take muscle, and I am not sure that 2x 980s will really be relevant for long.
cool. I know of the Panny, great to know that LG has stepped up. If your budget allows, def get the G2, it's a great PSU. I'm running 3 980 strix right now @ 4K and a separate rig with a 295x2 also at 40K/60. 2x980 will be fine for 4K if you back down on some settings (like AA which is meaningless @ 4K anyway).
Hard to believe, but the solo 295x2 does very well with 4K gaming. (3 980s ~ 80-100FPS, 1 295x2 ~ 60-80 fps).

If you plan on more than 2 cards, get a 48 lane CPU. the 28 lane 4-core will impose some limitations.
Are we at a point in GPUs that x8 3.0 gets saturated? If not I am not sure I see the validity of an extra 200 bucks for some PCIE lanes.

Also, GPU selection is on hold til friday, looks like AMD might be showing us their cards (poker pun) with this "Fixer 3" or whatever.
 
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Are we at a point in GPUs that x8 3.0 gets saturated? If not I am not sure I see the validity of an extra 200 bucks for some PCIE lanes.

Also, GPU selection is on hold til friday, looks like AMD might be showing us their cards (poker pun) with this "Fixer 3" or whatever.
You're right, 3.0 8x is plenty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rctaLgK5stA

The only time the 5930K would make sense, would be for 4 way sli. But if you're going for 4 way SLI, you're probably going to get a 5960X anyway.
 
#26 ·
Will be interesting to see how a CFX 8x setup does with AMD routing through the PCIE lanes.

if you want to know the concurrentbandwidth of your rig as you drop PCIE bandwidth (this version is for nvidia). OPen an elevated command prompt in the folder with this file renamed to ".exe" and type concbandwidthtest 0 [1] [2]
for one, 2 and 3 GPUs.

don't see to many folks opting for gen2x16 based on the rational presented.
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concBandwidthTest.txt 12k .txt file


R5E (16x/8x/8x)
 

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