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[ISP Review] BT confirms rollout of 500Mbps & 1000Mbps internet in 2016/2017 for the United Kingdom

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The national telecoms operator, BT, has today delivered an earlier than expected surprise by announcing their intention to deploy the next generation hybrid-fibre G.fast (ITU G.9701) broadband technology across the United Kingdom from 2016/17, with “most homes” told to expect speeds of ‘up to’ 500Mbps (Megabits per second) and there’s also a “premium” option for up to 1000Mbps (the premium may come via FTTP).

G.fast works in a similar way, except that it requires significantly more radio spectrum (FTTC = 17MHz vs G.fast 17-106MHz+) and must thus operate over a much shorter run of copper cable (ideally less than 250 metres). As a result the high capacity fibre optic line has to be taken even closer to homes, usually as far as a smaller remote node or distribution point (FTTdp / FTTrN) that can be built on top of a telegraph pole, inside a street cabinet or possibly even put underground.

The two pilots will start this Summer 2015 in Huntingdon (Cambridgeshire) and Gosforth (Newcastle). Around 4,000 homes and businesses will be able to participate in the pilots, which will explore what speeds can be delivered using G.fast at scale. BT is likely to deploy G.fast from various points in the network, with the pilots allowing it to assess various rollout options. It is also planning to develop a premium fibre broadband service for those residential and business customers who want even faster broadband, of up to 1Gbps.

A lot of ifs, could bes and maybes... but at least UK is heading in the right direction with high speed internet and understand that cities need it to stay competitive in the business world.

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Meanwhile, Australia is rolling out their "National Broadband Network" with expected speeds of 24Mbps...

Damn I hate this Australia's web. We have the fastest (on average) LTE network in the world but get charged about $10/GB if not more to use it! mad.gif
 
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Well it's BT so it's going to be "up to 1000 Mbps" but the actual speed people will get will be less than 10 Mbps.
   
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It can be 500 or 1000 but with a cap on it it's useless. I remember using (when I lived in the UK) 100mb/s from Virgin when it first came out and I had an whole page in their contract devoted to slowdowns, prime times and caps.
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It can be 500 or 1000 but with a cap on it it's useless. I remember using (when I lived in the UK) 100mb/s from Virgin when it first came out and I had an whole page in their contract devoted to slowdowns, prime times and caps.

Most fibre packages now are unlimited. My parents have Infinity in their village at home and there is no cap whatsoever.

Caps aren't really so common in the UK now given that the top end internet packages are so relatively cheap.
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Most fibre packages now are unlimited. My parents have Infinity in their village at home and there is no cap whatsoever.

Caps aren't really so common in the UK now given that the top end internet packages are so relatively cheap.

Oh, okay, thanks for clearing that up. I guess things have changed now. That's good at least. But do the prime time download speeds still exist or those have gone away as well?
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It can be 500 or 1000 but with a cap on it it's useless. I remember using (when I lived in the UK) 100mb/s from Virgin when it first came out and I had an whole page in their contract devoted to slowdowns, prime times and caps.

Speeds above 30 Mbps generally don't have caps, and the ones that do have caps above that speed are near impossible to get to unless you are using it to host a server or something. I downloaded 250 GB on 160 Mbps during peak times (when the slow you down if you use too much) and I didn't get slowed down at all.

Virgin Medias "above 30 Mbps" only caps upload and only upload more than 750 MB per hour between 4PM - 11PM during week days and 11AM - 11PM on weekends. Of course the faster your internet, the higher the cap. If you have the fastest speed VM provide, they only cap you to 50% upload (download stays uncapped) if you are uploading more than 2.5 GB per hour between the same times.

TL;DR: they only cap your upload speed if you upload more than x amount of data per hour during peak times.
   
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Virgin Medias "above 30 Mbps" only caps upload and only upload more than 750 MB per hour between 4PM - 11PM during week days and 11AM - 11PM on weekends.

tl;dr you can only upload at ~1.2 - 1.5 Mbit/s average without being capped, if you leave a little bit of room for other people to use the connection?

That's awful, those are almost DSL speeds
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At present most of BT’s national deployment is dominated by their hybrid Fibre-to-the-Cabinet (FTTC) broadband technology, which delivers download speeds of up to 80Mbps by running a fibre optic cable to your local street cabinet and then using VDSL2 over the remaining / existing copper line from the cabinet to your home.

Got this ATM, but got ~35/4 speeds. With some wizardry (i'm not an ISP engineer) ~27 down, ~4-7 up. Engineer blamed aluminium wiring for not being able to consistently get higher speeds than that with 80/20 fttc (apparently i'm not alone there), and the 4mbits upload is very limiting though a lot better than 0.7mbits stable DSL

500/500 would be wonderful, i'd take 50/25 though. No caps right now and cruising along at half terabyte download a month because 6 people use it and several as primary media consumption source (netflix etc)
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Meanwhile, Australia is rolling out their "National Broadband Network" with expected speeds of 24Mbps...

Damn I hate this Australia's web. We have the fastest (on average) LTE network in the world but get charged about $10/GB if not more to use it! mad.gif
"National Fraudband Network" more like.

Just think, only a year and a half ago we were on track to having a world class fully fiber network rolled out to 97(93?)% of Australian households and 1Gbps would have been the standard within a couple years after completion now we're getting a 3rd rate patch network comprised of FTTC, the always awful HFC and the small amount of FTTH rolled out under the previous government.

Barely, it's only $10/GB up to a certain amount, the amount of data you can get per month is extremely limited, I know with Virgin Mobile they charge $10/GB up to 6GB ($60) per month added to your current plan, and you cant add data beyond that if its used up, at which point the excess cost is 5.2c/MB ($52/GB)
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tl;dr you can only upload at ~1.2 - 1.5 Mbit/s average without being capped, if you leave a little bit of room for other people to use the connection?

That's awful, those are almost DSL speeds
Got this ATM, but got ~35/4 speeds. With some wizardry (i'm not an ISP engineer) ~27 down, ~4-7 up. Engineer blamed aluminium wiring for not being able to consistently get higher speeds than that with 80/20 fttc (apparently i'm not alone there), and the 4mbits upload is very limiting though a lot better than 0.7mbits stable DSL

500/500 would be wonderful, i'd take 50/25 though. No caps right now and cruising along at half terabyte download a month because 6 people use it and several as primary media consumption source (netflix etc)

The cap limits your upload from 2 Mbps to 1 Mbps (for 30 Mbps package), 3 Mbps to 1.5 Mbps (for 50/60 Mbps package), 6 Mbps to 3 Mbps (100 Mbps package) and 12 to 6 Mbps (120/152 Mbps package). The caps only last for 1 hour and they are only during peak times. If you need more upload speed, you can take out the business package for £10/mo more and get 152 Mbps download, 30 Mbps upload with no caps at all.
   
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