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I just recently built myself a rig and was Planning on building a new computer for my wife soon and was wondering which processor I should use in hers. I had always used amd till my last build but I play games and she uses her for Facebook browsing and she plays on pogo. I came up with this so far.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kBvbxr

Please let me know if this will be be enough for what she uses it for. I tried to put plenty of memory in for shared video. Thanks in advance
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The only reason to use 2x8 GB of memory in that build would be to ensure that the memory kit is dual ranked, which would be a slight performance benefit for an APU. Otherwise, 2x4GB is more than likely to be excessively sufficient for the intended use, as you're not going to use more than ~1GB for VRAM anyway...

I would advise a better quality motherboard, cheap FM2+ boards tend to run CPU's hot (more voltage then necessary).

I would advise ditching the mechanical drive in favor of a 240GB SSD.

..

Here's something to ponder on...

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CPU: AMD A8-7600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($95.99 @ Directron)
CPU Cooler: Silverstone AR06 40.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88X Extreme4+ ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Stealth 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk X110 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($63.61 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $497.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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post #3 of 11
Wait so this is just a browsing machine (and browser based games)?

What you have is way overkill.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Q38zjX

Would work just fine. Shilka can come in here and chime on on good sub 400W PSUs.

You could also go Kabini for extra power savings and just run a Pico-PSU.
 
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Reasonable Overkill is a good idea.

I've caught my wife with dozens of tabs open, using over 6GB of memory on her APU rig. I wouldn't build a modern "browsing" machine with less than 6-8GB of memory personally.

You're going to have ~$300-500+ worth of components and peripherals in the machine no matter what CPU you use, it doesn't make sense to cut the compute and iGPU performance of the machine by 60% to save 10% on the implementation cost. The A8, A10, and i3 are where the value begins in computer building, anything less than that and I fail to see the point of building the computer in the first place.
     
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post #5 of 11
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Reasonable Overkill is a good idea.

I've caught my wife with dozens of tabs open, using over 6GB of memory on her APU rig. I wouldn't build a modern "browsing" machine with less than 6-8GB of memory personally.

You're going to have ~$300-500+ worth of components and peripherals in the machine no matter what CPU you use, it doesn't make sense to cut the compute and iGPU performance of the machine by 60% to save 10% on the implementation cost. The A8, A10, and i3 are where the value begins in computer building, anything less than that and I fail to see the point of building the computer in the first place.

My build is $200 cheaper than yours (when you include a PSU in the price). That's not 10% and the IGPU on that APU is already overkill for browser based games.

OP could save another $100 with Kabini and not notice any real difference in performance.

As long as you have an SSD any modern CPU from Intel or AMD is plenty sufficient for a browsing build.
 
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My build is $200 cheaper than yours (when you include a PSU in the price). That's not 10%...

Obviously you completely misunderstood what I said.

Your build is significantly cheaper because it is significantly worse in every area, not just the APU.
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and the IGPU on that APU is already overkill for browser based games.
I disagree, some browser based games have visual quality that can make use of even the performance of discrete GPU's up to the ~$100 range.
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OP could save another $100 with Kabini and not notice any real difference in performance.
Kabini might save money, but not without a noticeable consequence to performance. The web is delivered compressed and uncompiled. browsing is compute intensive.
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As long as you have an SSD any modern CPU from Intel or AMD is plenty sufficient for a browsing build.
Sufficient, yes, but not equivalent.
     
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Obviously you completely misunderstood what I said.

Your build is significantly cheaper because it is significantly worse in every area, not just the APU.
I disagree, some browser based games have visual quality that can make use of even the performance of discrete GPU's up to the ~$100 range.
Kabini might save money, but not without a noticeable consequence to performance. The web is delivered compressed and uncompiled. browsing is compute intensive.
Sufficient, yes, but not equivalent.
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it doesn't make sense to cut the compute and iGPU performance of the machine by 60% to save 10% on the implementation cost.

You specifically said I was saving only 10% while losing 60% performance. Of course the parts are weaker, no one is arguing that however you realize a 10W ARM processor is more than good enough for browsing and browser based games? A processor that is twice as powerful than that is overkill.

Maybe, but the OP said Pogo which is like one of those flash based casinos. Nothing on there will come even close to maxing out the APU.
 
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You specifically said I was saving only 10% while losing 60% performance.

Go re-read post #4 in this thread. It is addressed to the OP (no quote), not to you.
     
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post #9 of 11
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As long as you have an SSD any modern CPU from Intel or AMD is plenty sufficient for a browsing build.
The most important comment here. You could build something around an A10-7850K for this type of build, and if you leave out the SSD, you'd have been better off using a Kabini Sempron and including the SSD. My C2D laptop with an SSD browses faster than the Sandy i7-based machines at work that are saddled with 5400 RPM HDD's. As cheap as SSD's are now and as much as they help performance, there's no reason not to include one in every build.
     
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Once the browser is launched disk access is no longer a significant player in web browsing performance. If you have a C2D laptop rendering websites faster than an i7 bridge, then something is wrong with the i7 machine.
     
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