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Originally Posted by lilchronic View Post

These chips degrade very easy when pushing cache frequency and voltage. There have been cases not only on this board but the RVE as well.

I have to agree here with my findings.

It was not my ram that was at fault in the end (both sets work fine). It was only after getting a replacement board as that was next on the list that I got exactly the same problem with the 'b6' error code.

So the only component that had not been changed and tested was the cpu. So I tested it in a friends Asus Rampage V and got exactly the same error code, would not even boot.

It was also on this rig we knew my ram was fine too as it booted no problem.

Currently waiting for my replacement CPU to come now but won't be dumping any silly volts through the memory controller as I think it's that what died on me pushing for the high NB frequency.

You've been warned! lol

Never in my years of building PC's (and that's a lot of years!) have I had a CPU die on me before (I killed one by de-lidding it but that don't count!). It was a hard one to diagnose as well as after endless boot loops it would come back to life which made things more frustrating, but I could tell it was gradually getting worst and worst to the point where it would just not post and mainly giving a b6 or b0 error code. Glad I got to the bottom of the problem and it certainly tested my patience to the max!
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Originally Posted by moorhen2 View Post

running hours of P95/Linx etc, wont do the chip any good anyway

It's not supposed to.
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why are people so obsessed with HAMMERING these cpu's with excessive stress tests, it's beyond me.

To see if they can handle it, because if they survive the worst that can be thrown at them without any signs of damage, one knows with good certainly that normal loads at the same settings aren't going to result in failure for a very long time.

It's like proofing an artillery piece. They'll be fired a few times at 125-150% of rated chamber pressure, then be carefully inspected for damage. A fair number are damaged by this and have to be scrapped, but that is far better than letting a weak sample through and having the weapon explode half-way though a twenty year service life during use.

Most durable goods have a bathtub curve of failure rates. Beating the snot out of them early on reveals those sample prone to early failure that much sooner. I will stress test most anything I buy and ultimately be better off because of it.

CPUs that survive my initial stress testing tend to be working without problems five plus years down the line, even after having been used 24/7 while OCed.

Stress testing with every day loads is a borderline oxymoron; fine for casual stability and for parts that will only be lightly utilized, or that will be treated as a disposable, but not for much beyond that...unless you want to leave huge margins.
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It's not supposed to.
To see if they can handle it, because if they survive the worst that can be thrown at them without any signs of damage, one knows with good certainly that normal loads at the same settings aren't going to result in failure for a very long time.

It's like proofing an artillery piece. They'll be fired a few times at 125-150% of rated chamber pressure, then be carefully inspected for damage. A fair number are damaged by this and have to be scrapped, but that is far better than letting a weak sample through and having the weapon explode half-way though a twenty year service life during use.

Most durable goods have a bathtub curve of failure rates. Beating the snot out of them early on reveals those sample prone to early failure that much sooner. I will stress test most anything I buy and ultimately be better off because of it.

CPUs that survive my initial stress testing tend to be working without problems five plus years down the line, even after having been used 24/7 while OCed.

Stress testing with every day loads is a borderline oxymoron; fine for casual stability and for parts that will only be lightly utilized, or that will be treated as a disposable, but not for much beyond that...unless you want to leave huge margins.

Each to there own I suppose, but then I am not prepared to Hammer £800 pounds worth of silicon just to see if it can handle endless hours of P95.
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I am not prepared to Hammer £800 pounds worth of silicon just to see if it can handle endless hours of P95.

I use a relatively short period of stress testing to see if the chip is likely handle tens of thousands of hours of heavy real-world use.

I'd far rather have to RMA the occasional part early on than to corrupt important data, or have a part fail outside of warranty, because I allowed a weak sample to get through initial tests.
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You wonder why your chips are degrading.

If you set crazy high volts expect a failure... did I see someone said 1.5 on vl6? Seriously? For only 4.2 cache.

You guys need to keep volts down and use only what ya need.. not just pumping volts through the roof.

I had a champion board last 10 months on constant crazy benching 50 records plus.. vga and cpu without issue. It only died because my gpu pll shorted..from gpu mishap. not even a mb issue....

The degradation happens when you push more than your supposed too.. and pay attention to temps..

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I use a relatively short period of stress testing to see if the chip is likely handle tens of thousands of hours of heavy real-world use.

I'd far rather have to RMA the occasional part early on than to corrupt important data, or have a part fail outside of warranty, because I allowed a weak sample to get through initial tests.
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You wonder why your chips are degrading.

If you set crazy high volts expect a failure... did I see someone said 1.5 on vl6? Seriously? For only 4.2 cache.

You guys need to keep volts down and use only what ya need.. not just pumping volts through the roof.

I had a champion board last 10 months on constant crazy benching 50 records plus.. vga and cpu without issue. It only died because my gpu pll shorted..from gpu mishap. not even a mb issue....

The degradation happens when you push more than your supposed too.. and pay attention to temps..

Well said, I couldn't agree more. thumb.gif
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This is what I'm running for the moment, but still tweaking.

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This is what I'm running at the moment.

Moorhen2 you've got a similar setup to me it seems, what batch is your chip? I've got a L batch and its very good indeed. Plenty more left in her.

My new replacement chip is miles better than my old one. Run's on really low volts plus an additional 2 cores over my previous chip! thumb.gif

cpuspec_zpse1mpx89j.jpg

On water she does not go over 60c.

Quite impressed with this chip.
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Mine is a J13 batch, looking at your screenie, why is your ram saying 2133 in GTL, and 3200 in cpu-z, and vcore "auto". ??
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Mine is a J13 batch, looking at your screenie, why is your ram saying 2133 in GTL, and 3200 in cpu-z, and vcore "auto". ??

I'm running adaptive voltage and all the speedstep stuff so it volt/frequency goes down when not in use.
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