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Theres also a Vishera FX-8310 I suppose $100~130 since it is OEM. I dont know about availability of bulldozer anymore I just remember buying one for $100 few weeks ago new off the bay. 1100T is still rocking here on secondary rig so no need to touch FX lineup but anyone without a X6 Phenom 2...prices are so inflated now for the flagships its gross. I owned a snoozedozer FX6 before going 3770k, I know the horrors rolleyes.gif 7970 was a new animal away from it...

Kinda difficult at this point to really define whats better since they are hyperfocused on APUs. "overall" a FX8 would be better than a 2c pentium or i3 in the proper price brackets but most are so fringe priced its hard to decide.

970/990FX is cheaper now to point mb isnt too much of issue nowadays. Even new/used is not much of an issue since CPUs are hard to kill unless you buy it from a pin bending maniac


(If you dont look at the fact all FX8 are over-glorified 4 core CPUs and so forth)

For practical reasons, you have to compare deals that are commonly available and what you would find at most online retailers. If we want to muddle the issues with weird limited deals, we might as well use Intel microcenter deals. E.g $180 4690k or $199 4770k. I just looked on ebay, and everything that is around the 100 dollar price point is used for an fx 8120.

No doubt there are some fx series MB that are cheap. The problem is the ones you want to use with the fx series in general are High end mb which can deliver enough power. There are some cheap MB that skimp on power circuitry.

Take a cheap 50 dollar Mb and overclock the snot out of it, with a fx81xx series and your going to either have a bad overclock or a burnt out MB. Even without a overclock, mixing the cheapest fx series mb with a 100W+ processor isn't a good idea.

I think the problem is with AMD processors is when you compare an fx 8120 at 150 or an fx 8350 at 190 vs Intel solutions. Most of the Intel i5 series is about 40 bucks more. And when you consider, your already spending 300-400 at a minimum for the rest of the components, it doesn't make sense to skimp on that 40 dollars. E.g

Intel i5 4570 = 195
AMD fx 8310 = 125
fx 8320 = 147

+ 300 for parts

In the end your paying 17% more overall for a substantially better machine. And this is using the best case scenario fx 8310. The more you spend on parts(300 is really barebones), the less things become for AMD. E.g add 200 -300 for a videocard and your just paying 11% more for a substantially better machine. When you add in the rest of the parts, the overall delta in performance/performance shrinks relative to the price of the machine. This is the overall problem with the value argument AMD machines bring once you spend over 300 for a computer.
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@MadRabbit JF-AMD did a lot of damage in several forums that you clearly didn't visit back then. Mostly Anandtech where he kept spreading false information as representative of AMD. He was an amd_roy on steroids.

So please stop that utterly obtuse stance. It's not making you any good.

Last post he made here was in 2012... I also remember the huge kerfluffle that erupted when Bulldozer came out and by all reports flopped miserably against the leading Intel parts of that era. They even tried blaming the Windows 7 scheduler, and when peope tested it on Win8 there was like... a 5% increase. Whoo. *twirls finger*

Until AMD either radically slashes prices or gets a real new whizz-bang part out, we're going to be stuck where a 4790K costs $400 Canadian even a year after launch, and a 4770K actually costs almost $500 if you want to get one from a store due to some sort of asinine policy I have no understanding of regarding not writing down product to get them out of inventory.
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Is the fx8120 still available? The original Fx-81xx series is really old and out of stock generally at this point. Plus the original fx 81xx series was generally considered a bad failure part particularly for budget builds. The reason being that not only did it require a good cooler, it also needed a top grade MB, if you wanted to do any overclocking. The original fx 81xx was labeled faildozer because it was a side grade compared to phenom II with extra power consumption.

Plus the fx8120 depending on the task actually trades blows with the newest Pentiums. So even then the decision isn't clear, even if you could find one for 100 dollars. I couldn't find one, a new one atleast. And all I could see was fx8320 for about 150.

Agreed. How did the 8120 even come up in this thread?....... didn't bother to read very far back. There is no reason to ever consider a 8120, or any Bulldozer for that matter. Really doesn't matter what situation you're coming from (completely new build, upgrade from AM3 Phenom/Athlon, cost, etc.) if your board can support a Vishera, your starting point should be a Vishera. If you're on an extremely limited budget/thermally limited, get a 6300, end of story.
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I had mentioned it since its cheapest FX8 besides 8310 thats all
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There are a host of benefits to choosing a FX platform. PCIe 2.0, inferior SATA controller and non-native SATA 3.0, no m2 ports, and a 220W space heater.


Wow. the blind truly wont see. fx-8120 ($100~) intel $100 Chip? G3460. There are still viable build options for the FX platform. AMD just needs to lower prices a bit more to do it right

you're doing it wrong, it should be fx-8120 + HSF (+$25 for 212 EVO) vs intel + stock, because FX-8120 wouldn't do well with stock cooler.

but that only puts it on the range of i3-4130.
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You know guys,besides North America there is the rest of the world. Here in Finland the shop I regularly buy hardware from sells the cheapest haswell i5 for 224 euros,and it is a non-desirable i5-4460T,1.9GHz, Tray unit. The cheapest boxed is i5-4440, 3,1 GHz is 231 and the cheapest unlocked is the 4670k at 264 euros. The cheapest FX octocore (FX 8320) comes at 149 euros.
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Reading all these posts gave me a good laugh. I see allot of people saying oh i want to save money so i bought an AMD cpu, but then they go on to say they spend 100-200 dollars on liquid cooling for it. /facepalm
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You know guys,besides North America there is the rest of the world. Here in Finland the shop I regularly buy hardware from sells the cheapest haswell i5 for 224 euros,and it is a non-desirable i5-4460T,1.9GHz, Tray unit. The cheapest boxed is i5-4440, 3,1 GHz is 231 and the cheapest unlocked is the 4670k at 264 euros. The cheapest FX octocore (FX 8320) comes at 149 euros.

Why can't you ship items from UK to Finland?
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Why can't you ship items from UK to Finland?

Can use amazon or the german online retailers but haven't bothered since price difference between products appears similar (atm FX8320 109 pounds, 4690k 173 pounds) and after package costs and added VAT it comes about the same.
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You know guys,besides North America there is the rest of the world. Here in Finland the shop I regularly buy hardware from sells the cheapest haswell i5 for 224 euros,and it is a non-desirable i5-4460T,1.9GHz, Tray unit. The cheapest boxed is i5-4440, 3,1 GHz is 231 and the cheapest unlocked is the 4670k at 264 euros. The cheapest FX octocore (FX 8320) comes at 149 euros.

In Latvia same price. It is almost price difference between R9 280X and R9 290X. I think better GPU gives more benefit in games.
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