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Originally Posted by fuzzybass View Post

I see what you mean. You were blaming the RSI itself on the user, not necessarily the shape incompatibility. Well, that just makes you a bit of a judgmental jerk then tongue.gif - what if the user just wanted to see if he could get used to it? What if the onset of RSI was sudden?

If you notice, he didn't say he kept using the mouse after he got the pain.

But otherwise, we do both agree, then, that mouse-shape incompatibility itself is not the fault or an issue with the user. Correct?

RSI has the word repetitive in there for a reason. Even sudden onset is caused by something over a peroid of time to have caused it. Unless I'm seeing some data that correlates G302/G303 use and a spike in RSI I'm not buying the shape alone caused it.

Shape incompatbility is a user preference. Not a "fault" per se but the call lies on the user and less on the mouse.
post #5602 of 6949
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

RSI has the word repetitive in there for a reason. Even sudden onset is caused by something over a peroid of time to have caused it. Unless I'm seeing some data that correlates G302/G303 use and a spike in RSI I'm not buying the shape alone caused it.

Shape incompatbility is a user preference. Not a "fault" per se but the call lies on the user and less on the mouse.

Don't be naive. Some people can't use things. Just like a 4m^2 box cant fit into a 1m^2 hole.
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post #5603 of 6949
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Originally Posted by ozzy1925 View Post

i would like to buy skates for my g303 and i know its personal preference but not sure which Hotline Games gives more control on artisan xsoft and soft pad?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hotline-Games-Logitech-G303-Mouse-Feet-/121794596319?var=&hash=item1c5b860ddf:m:mNodHk81ZbE35qck3PcCfRQ

performance 0.6-0.28 or comp 0.6-0.28

I just got packs of 0.6 and 0.28 competition skates. Personally if you can, get some hyperglides instead. The hotline skates are not great. They are not bad, however there is really no difference vs the OEM skates. There is a huge difference in using hyperglides since they have rounded edges. The hotline ones are not rounded.

I can see if your using a pretty hard pad it should work okay, but if your using a cloth mousepad, those unrounded corners will just create more friction.
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Originally Posted by evilhf View Post

êsFechar tela cheiaHello people..
I will post my experience using the g303.
Got the mouse in November 2015 and previously owned the abyssus 3500.
At the beginning right away realized that the sensor was too but much higher, but the shape, weight and low lod made me wonder the mouse.
Am player QuakeLive and missed agility muscle memory that it had acquired over the abyssus.
The weight of the mouse on a precision scale was 89 grams, 68 grams abyssus possessed.
Then I open the mouse and cut off some parts of plastic useless without changing the chassis and running.
also I changed the original thick cable with a braided also a taipan razer I had here.
Only these changes the weight of the mouse already decreased to 80 grams.
already I felt a huge difference in speed with the mouse, especially in flyck shots.
later I cut off the feet that are wrapped sensor.
now much already practicing with the mouse feel in ecstasy controlling the mouse.
and so naturally fluent and accurate.
the form already is not a problem for me and already tried to use non-slip tape on the sides of the mouse but found odd.
these days atraz called my old abyssus to compare and the difference is very large.
I love the sensor and now love the way.
not to mention design that is too much.
then my conclusion is that all of them have this mouse do these modifications and take a while to get used to it, because then never will want another!


I am just curious how did you cut the plastic? I want to make my g303 lighter.
Edited by illitirit - 2/15/16 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

RSI has the word repetitive in there for a reason. Even sudden onset is caused by something over a peroid of time to have caused it.

Yea, but I've had experience with very minor RSI before (or something like it - wrist pain related to too much computer use), and there is still a thresh-hold between "no pain" to "pain". I can understand RSI having varying degrees of severity and pain, but you still need to fairly obviously pass the "no pain" line before you get it. And to a lot of people (like me), you don't know you're moving towards that line until you do.
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Unless I'm seeing some data that correlates G302/G303 use and a spike in RSI I'm not buying the shape alone caused it.

I don't know why you insist on "defending" the mouse. The user, when he talked about his experiences with RSI on the G303 wasn't directly criticizing the G303, nor saying it was the cause of the RSI - he was responding to a point that "anyone can get used to any shape", which is clearly not true. If we all agree that shape preferences are due to differences in everyone's hand-size/shape, then it should imply that everyone can't adapt to any kind of mouse shape.
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Shape incompatbility is a user preference. Not a "fault" per se but the call lies on the user and less on the mouse.

You know... even though I agree mouse-shape is personal preference, it is still possible for a mouse shape to be so bad that most people can't use it. If there is a mouse in the shape of a porcupine, it'd be unusable.
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Not a "fault" per se but the call lies on the user and less on the mouse.

What does "the call lies on the user" even mean? It still sounds like "blaming the user" to me.
Edited by fuzzybass - 2/15/16 at 8:43pm
post #5605 of 6949
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Originally Posted by Zenith Phantasm View Post

Speaking of keyboards I got my Steelseries Apex M800 about a week ago. And tbh I think it was worth the 217$ I paid for it. Now if only it had more complex illumination software...
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Originally Posted by fuzzybass View Post

Yea, but I've had experience with very minor RSI before (or something like it - wrist pain related to too much computer use), and there is still a thresh-hold between "no pain" to "pain". I can understand RSI having varying degrees of severity and pain, but you still need to fairly obviously pass the "no pain" line before you get it. And to a lot of people (like me), you don't know you're moving towards that line until you do.
I don't know why you insist on "defending" the mouse. The user, when he talked about his experiences with RSI on the G303 wasn't directly criticizing the G303, nor saying it was the cause of the RSI - he was responding to a point that "anyone can get used to any shape", which is clearly not true. If we all agree that shape preferences are due to differences in everyone's hand-size/shape, then it should imply that everyone can't adapt to any kind of mouse shape.
You know... even though I agree mouse-shape is personal preference, it is still possible for a mouse shape to be so bad that most people can't use it. If there is a mouse in the shape of a porcupine, it'd be unusable.
What does "the call lies on the user" even mean? It still sounds like "blaming the user" to me.
Hes a logitech shill/fanboy, did the same thing with g402
post #5606 of 6949
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Originally Posted by fuzzybass View Post

Yea, but I've had experience with very minor RSI before (or something like it - wrist pain related to too much computer use), and there is still a thresh-hold between "no pain" to "pain". I can understand RSI having varying degrees of severity and pain, but you still need to fairly obviously pass the "no pain" line before you get it. And to a lot of people (like me), you don't know you're moving towards that line until you do.

I've had my brush with RSI as well and I know better than to just slap blame on the mouse I was using.
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Originally Posted by fuzzybass View Post

I don't know why you insist on "defending" the mouse. The user, when he talked about his experiences with RSI on the G303 wasn't directly criticizing the G303, nor saying it was the cause of the RSI - he was responding to a point that "anyone can get used to any shape", which is clearly not true. If we all agree that shape preferences are due to differences in everyone's hand-size/shape, then it should imply that everyone can't adapt to any kind of mouse shape.

I don't agree anyone can adapt to any shape.

I'm not defending the mouse as much as I'm refuting the blanket statement that X mouse causes RSI. Yes, it has more to do with the person than the mouse. Some people can handle it, some people can't. It depends in the person. Its not a fault of the mouse.
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Originally Posted by fuzzybass View Post

You know... even though I agree mouse-shape is personal preference, it is still possible for a mouse shape to be so bad that most people can't use it. If there is a mouse in the shape of a porcupine, it'd be unusable.
What does "the call lies on the user" even mean? It still sounds like "blaming the user" to me.

Of course when you use a terrible example like that listed. What if your car shot exhaust into your face when you drove it?

If I find that thicker steering wheels strain my hands when driving I'm not blaming the wheel on my problems. Its my hands with the issue.

(Within the realm of reason before I get another porcupine analogy)

If the shape was so bad it wouldn't be as much of a seller as it is.
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Originally Posted by Dylan Nails View Post


Hes a logitech shill/fanboy, did the same thing with g402

No you're just bitter no company finds use in making decent 3 button mice.

Fly a kite.
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Originally Posted by bruzanHD View Post

Don't be naive. Some people can't use things. Just like a 4m^2 box cant fit into a 1m^2 hole.

Another poor analogy.

Some people can't use things but is it the fault of the object...

If holding a 5.5 inch phone in one hand during use causes strain according to these posts I can blame the phone on my problems.
Edited by SmashTV - 2/16/16 at 12:35am
post #5607 of 6949
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

I've had my brush with RSI as well and I know better than to just slap blame on the mouse I was using.
I don't agree anyone can adapt to any shape.

I'm not defending the mouse as much as I'm refuting the blanket statement that X mouse causes RSI. Yes, it has more to do with the person than the mouse. Some people can handle it, some people can't. It depends in the person. Its not a fault of the mouse.
Of course when you use a terrible example like that listed. What if your car shot exhaust into your face when you drove it?

If I find that thicker steering wheels strain my hands when driving I'm not blaming the wheel on my problems. Its my hands with the issue.

(Within the realm of reason before I get another porcupine analogy)

If the shape was so bad it wouldn't be as much of a seller as it is.
No you're just bitter no company finds use in making decent 3 button mice.

Fly a kite.
what do you mean no? its what you do, g402 and g303 are both trash mice. lol'ed when i tried the g303 shape at best buy. wait wut no company makes good 3 button mice, what is krait 2013 and sica?
post #5608 of 6949
Hey got a friend who has a G303 with the 1st batch (?) lens rattle issues and contacted support twice already with no response yet?
Any idea what to do? Can i just write here those two ticket numbers? Any active logitech guys in here?
Edited by turnschuh - 2/16/16 at 1:26am
post #5609 of 6949
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Originally Posted by Dylan Nails View Post

what do you mean no? its what you do, g402 and g303 are both trash mice. lol'ed when i tried the g303 shape at best buy. wait wut no company makes good 3 button mice, what is krait 2013 and sica?

Oh I thought you actually had a post of substance. Shame on me for expecting that.

And I said decent. Unless you think that 20ms+ clicks are nice and no onboard memory or DPI changing switch. Having to always use Synapse to get desired settings...

If you want to derail the thread more, great. Take it to PM if you want to continue. smile.gif
post #5610 of 6949
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

Oh I thought you actually had a post of substance. Shame on me for expecting that.

And I said decent. Unless you think that 20ms+ clicks are nice and no onboard memory or DPI changing switch. Having to always use Synapse to get desired settings...

If you want to derail the thread more, great. Take it to PM if you want to continue. smile.gif
Never tried the krait so cant comment on the latency of the clicks, and never heard of krait not having onboard memory (thats abyssus 2014), why would you want a dpi switch lmao? its called setting the dpi you want in the software and uninstalling. also you didnt comment on the sica which is better obviously. on topic though, yeah, you are a logitech shill, get mad and keep replying and white knighting a terrible shaped mouse smile.gif
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