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post #6801 of 7008
To see the bigger picture you need a 2nd frame.
post #6802 of 7008
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Originally Posted by Nilizum View Post

What is 2 frames?


So first I guess here is how logitech (CPate) talk about smoothing (in this post about the AM010 smoothing for g402/g302)
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Originally Posted by CPate View Post

Same sensor with new settings.

CPI steps are 240-4000 in steps of 80 - so you can get native 400/800/1600/etc.

CPI range was extended, but there is still zero smoothing at 2000 CPI and below. 2080 CPI and above implement 4 frames (<1ms) of smoothing in order to mitigate ripple. Sensors with smoothing levels that people find problematic are typically around 4-7ms.


Here is a post qsxcv did which I think describes it
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

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first, the 3310 sensor itself has a little bit of smoothing. basically it does an arithmetic average of the last ~8 frames or so of raw data.
the finalmouse's firmware applies an exponential moving average to the data it receives from the sensor. (most?) other 3310 mice don't do this.
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So apparently the 3310 sensor averages the last ~8 frames, the logitech 3366 does 2 frames instead.

he also says
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

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fyi, 2frames smoothing is literally impossible to detect. like if you're moving at 8000 pixels/second, you'd be off by 1 pixel. which makes it weird why it's not just off completely...
...

So it is strange to have logitech apply the update to add 2 frames of smoothing if you can't notice the difference.
post #6803 of 7008
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Originally Posted by Bucake View Post

nah it just gets rid of 2 frames of smoothing which you would never notice.
i have not noticed any difference between 24 and 26 so i have honestly no clue what it's supposed to fix or improve

edit: maybe the 2 frames is actually good for something. an uneducated guess of mine was to help smooth out fps transitions when crossing thresholds. probably not, though

Nixeus recently released a firmware for their Revel in order to remove the 2 frames of smoothing at the behest of qsxcv.

I'm curious how these two situations differ.
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post #6804 of 7008
Someone said that g303 is pure claw grip?

I wanna palm grip it, is it even possible?

I'ma about to order it.....
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Originally Posted by LocoDiceGR View Post

Someone said that g303 is pure claw grip?

I wanna palm grip it, is it even possible?

I'ma about to order it.....

possible yes but not very comfortable imo. the mouse is super flat apart from the initial hump at the back which makes resting your hand on it a bit weird.

i used to try and palm the 303 when i first got it aswell but after a few days i just stopped using it alltogether because for palm grip there are so many better mice out there for me. nowdays i just claw it and is completely fine for me.
now i pretty much switch whatever grip i use based on what mouse i have. doesnt really need much of an adjustment period for me.

obv. all depends on your hand tho at the end of the day so you just gotta try yourself.
post #6806 of 7008
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Originally Posted by Jonny321321 View Post

Nixeus recently released a firmware for their Revel in order to remove the 2 frames of smoothing at the behest of qsxcv.

I'm curious how these two situations differ.

They aren't removing the 2 frames of smoothing on the Revel they are removing MCU smoothing. Also I'm pretty sure qsxcv said all sroms had 2 frames of smoothing he just didn't see it on that srom immediately or something. Maybe I'm wrong about that part.
post #6807 of 7008
one of the 3366 sroms has no smoothing but i'm thinking that might've been a mistake on pixart their part

and i assume nixeus removed only the mcu smoothing like chr1spe suggested. the 2 frames - 32 frames are probably still there.
Edited by Bucake - 9/29/16 at 6:22pm
post #6808 of 7008
The left click has started to double click on mine and stops registering when I'm holding it down for a split second so makes things like dragging windows really annoying. Is there any way I can fix it? I've already contacted Logitech and they said there's nothing they can do since I purchased it off ebay.
post #6809 of 7008
you can open up the switch and 'change' the leaf to be under more pressure (bend / straighten it). i've also seen suggested that you scratch the two parts that make contact.
or the most reliable option would be to just replace the entire switch, if you can (solder)
post #6810 of 7008
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Originally Posted by ashr View Post

The left click has started to double click on mine and stops registering when I'm holding it down for a split second so makes things like dragging windows really annoying. Is there any way I can fix it? I've already contacted Logitech and they said there's nothing they can do since I purchased it off ebay.

Cleaning the contacts like Bucake mentioned fixed the left click on my G100s.


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