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Way to take something out of context, but whatever, we can work with this.
Maybe because it's true?
It's Debian Linux with a full Gnome Shell setup of which Steam starts automatically in Big Picture mode. There is nothing really "custom" about it ( at least in the sense you're thinking ). There's only a few minor differences, and they really are minor. Those differences basically come down to a low latency kernel ( it's in the standard freaking repositories for you to install ), and their fork of xcompmgr ( again, easy enough to install ).
No, that really is ALL that it is. If you get rid of Big Picture or rather Steam altogether, what you have is a basic Debian install with Gnome-Shell.
Most people asking this question aren't asking it for its intended purpose. Most people think SteamOS is some magical operating system that they should replace their DESKTOP with, not install on an HTPC/Gaming HTPC.

Oh but, I covered that already in the very post you quoted;
And SteamOS is far from stripped down. Take it from someone who's recompiled it several times over and dissected every release so far.
The compositor is a fork of xcompmgr. It isn't anything fancy. Again, this is available ( THE ENTIRE FREAKING STEAM SESSION ) from most distributions repositories.


What the hell are you on about? You obviously went off on a rant here and forgot what you were typing as it makes little sense. You have an opening parenthesis and no closing one, which just make it make even less sense.


If you're going back and forth while trying to stream, then you have one or both of two issues at hand. 1) The game doesn't have the best support yet ( there's a reason it's still beta ), 2) You screwed up something ( PEBKAC is famous for a reason ).

I've been streaming games with Steam since the beta first opened up for us, and those have been the only two possibilities for such issue.
Again, what the hell are you on about... confused.gif






I'll make this REALLY simple for you to understand. Because it is REALLY simple.
  1. Install Debian w/ Gnome-Shell
  2. Install Low Latency kernel from Debian Repositories
  3. Add Valve/Steam Repository
  4. Install * Valve/Steam Repository
  5. ???
  6. Profit


SteamOS has 1 purpose. Dedicated machines. If you already have an operating system installed, dual booting with SteamOS makes absolutely NO sense. Period.
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but whatever, we can work with this.

^ doh.gif

See your problem is, even though you think you have good points and may even you ruin it by being obnoxious & rude, spoiling for a thread fight.You actually didn’t read. SteamOS is for a quick and simple way to manage your games from the couch and therefore manually installing components is a waste of time for someone who wants an auto-upto date steam machine, further more you don't actually know further down the line what other things Valve will add to steamOS that don't get added to big picture.

Secondly, the last bit was a real-time scenario of how when you launch a window/linux game often the setting menu drops you out of Big Picture mode to desktop .. which then requires a mouse .. so yea, you kind of dont get that on SteamOS.

finally i didnt mention about streaming ? I dont even ... headscratch.gif


At this point I could allow you to derail this thread for your ego's sake ( once again like so many others ) .. but I wont bother, its just easier to put you ( only the 2nd in quite a few years) on a block list, you are a waste of time.


goodbye smile.gif
Edited by Pip Boy - 8/12/15 at 11:31am
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^ doh.gif

See your problem is, even though you think you have good points and may even you ruin it by being obnoxious & rude, spoiling for a thread fight.
No, I'm not. If anything, you did by taking my post out of context of which I was replying to, while spreading mostly, misinformation about what SteamOS is.

Let's not forget you saying;
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(and are Mr disagreeable, eternally grumpy)

YOU, not me are the one that obviously wanted to start something. Not only replying to a month old + post, but doing so with things like that... Yeah.

And I'm hardly "Mr disagreeable" or pick fights as I do a ton of helping in the Linux section. But hey whatever, you don't know me and you have an opinion on me without even trying to be nice.
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You actually didn’t read.
Nor did you apparently.
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SteamOS is for a quick and simple way to manage your games from the couch and therefore manually installing components is a waste of time for someone who wants an auto-upto date steam machine, further more you don't actually know further down the line what other things Valve will add to steamOS that don't get added to big picture.

Already covered that, again, you didn't read.

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Secondly, the last bit was a real-time scenario of how when you launch a window/linux game often the setting menu drops you out of Big Picture mode to desktop .. which then requires a mouse .. so yea, you kind of dont get that on SteamOS.

Yes, you do get a desktop, SteamOS comes with Gnome-Shell.
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finally i didnt mention about streaming ? I dont even ... headscratch.gif

It was the only thing that I could get from that incoherent babbling you did earlier.
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Originally Posted by Pip Boy View Post

At this point I could allow you to derail this thread for your ego's sake ( once again like so many others ) .. but I wont bother, its just easier to put you ( only the 2nd in quite a few years) on a block list, you are a waste of time.


goodbye smile.gif

Good riddance.


You wanted to know why people kept saying that, I gave you an answer. You didn't like that answer, so now you block me. Whatever, lol.
Edited by Shrak - 8/12/15 at 12:24pm
post #13 of 18
Well I'm still curious about putting STEAM _ OS on a secondary hdd and running it as a secondary, proprietary gaming option. I'm worried about driver support for graphics cards audio devices etc.

Will steam OS drive my hd5870?

Will ye olde steam ose installer be a better choice?

Does the standard installer provide a more durable/stable install?

These are my concerns, not whether or not it's pointless to install it even if I have windows already.
Edited by Artful Dodger - 8/23/15 at 7:53am
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I would go ahead and try it. It's always fun trying out new things. thumb.gif

Some suggestions, Unplug your primary drive before installing, then there will be no chance accidently writing over your windows drive. Then either manually add a windows boot option to grub, or switch between drives using the bios.

You may have performance issues. ATi/AMD have historicaly had bad linux drivers. I don't know what it is, but after all these years, between the 2 companies, they still can't write a decent linux driver. I had high hopes when AMD bought ATi, but nothing's changed.
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i built my own steam box once- it played all of 3 out of my 13 steam games i had at that time. im up to 40 games, so, it should play 6 or 7, i guess, now, if i tried it again. Poor gaming support is why i wiped it and went with windows 7m, instead. i cant remember, is skyrim steamos? i dont think it is... borderlands are, civilizations 6 is, and...?
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ok, so if you want to install steamOS (linux) and windows dual-boot, and are tied up between putting the linux bootloader inside the windows mbr, or installing separate mbr's per drive- well, its a whole lot easier to go backwards if you install the linux mbr and partitions on their own, dedicated hard drive. Ive never had a linux grub installation in a windows mbr be problematic, other than if/or/when i got tired of that linux distro. SteamOS is just a modified debian- its linux mint to ubuntu...

to install grub in the windows mbr, set that as your primary hard drive, 2nd boot device after cd rom. any linux installer ive seen gives you the choice of which drive to create your main and swap partitions to install grub on a 2nd hard drive. Using this method, the windows mbr will point to grub as the bootloader, which will give you the option to choose linux/steam/windows (or diagnostics). There is likely an edit to boot.ini to go back to loading the windows bootloader, but i doubt its QUITE that simple.

If you do not want grub to install in the windows mbr, but on its own hard drive instead, then disconnect the windows disk during SteamOS installation. Using this method, you need to plug back in both drives after installation, and use your motherboard boot selector, or bios boot order, to choose oses off their respective disks.
post #17 of 18
and linux, from my varied experiences, has very good driver support. you may have trouble with rare, specialized cards with professional features, but video cards and motherboards tend to have unified drivers, and most video cards and/or motherboards are running common audio codecs- so, unless you cant part with anything unordinary, you should be fine on driver support.
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