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I'm usually not a render fan, but those mockups are making me a little moist.

How long does it take you to make one of those complicated ones?


I especially like to see the fittings come together ala render.

Good job man with all the thought and detail in your posts. Not as easy to look through as a pic heavy log but interesting none the less. smile.gif

Thanks very much, I'm glad you're enjoying them.

I know this thread doesn’t make quite such easy reading as other peoples’ build logs - being more technically descriptive in nature, with rather more planning and preparation work than speedy progress and pretty pictures. I promise we will eventually get to the point where it’s all photos of real stuff and not just concept renders - but not quite yet.

To answer your question, that render itself took a little over half an hour to process; with some lighting changes and small edits to the models (mostly material texture tweaks and adding the pull-fan mounting screws on the nearside radiator which I'd forgotten). I’d say a little under 90 minutes overall for that. Constructing the assembly and subassembly models probably works out at perhaps 30-35 hours - maybe 20 of which is the stuff you see there, being the most complex bits. Creating the individual component models takes considerably longer, probably amounting to a couple of hundred hours all told (there are a lot of them). Of those, the design and subsequent modifications to the custom parts, plus doing the complex shape of the fan blades, took by far the longest. Apart from the Koolance QD3s and pump tops, everything else has been generated from scratch. I could probably have found pre-made models for a lot of the components via something like GrabCAD, but I find the process of creating them myself to be really useful in spotting potential issues and sparking the odd creative thought. And as for the actual overall design of the cooling system, well I started do that around late September last year and I’m still messing around changing things…

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As everyone else says about this build to come we are very very interested and excited, most definitely wanting to see the results. As even i have things on paper myself on how i want things done and have scratched out many as it was impossible to do or just way way to difficult. You right things can go pare shape from the original designs but that is the fun part and we work a way to work around it or redesign that part. smile.gif

Looking very much forward to the build smile.gif

Well the nature of the recessed motherboard and the tight, concealed piping makes workarounds extremely difficult, and even partial redesigns would be time consuming and potentially very expensive. But I guess the real difference is that, unlike many people, my education has indoctrinated me to always do whatever may be necessary to anticipate, identify and correct potential design issues in advance - because it is inevitably cheaper and easier to amend the plan than to change the reality. This means I’m now psychologically conditioned to believe that you have to fix problems before they happen, and can't help but treat any potential complication I didn't forsee as a personal failure. It’s very a weird worldview apparently…

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lol I really can't wait to see this build complete.

Well ‘complete’ is a long, long way off yet. However I hope you will get to see the new full-size Phase 3 Test Frame assembled really quite soon, with the contents of that latest render starting to appear on it shortly after (save the motherboard cooling, which may take a bit longer). If AMD and Nvidia stop messing around and actually let us find out whose stuff is better, then I might finally be able to purchase the GPUs. Fingers-crossed that means some waterblocks too, which means you may just get to see the Ironbeast’s cooling and monitoring systems in a fully operational state – if not actually inside the case – sooner rather than later.
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Something that you should consider though.
It looks like that this setup will be a HUGE pain in the buttocks if you try to disassemble it.
I would recommend having some sort of a backup system around smile.gif
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Something that you should consider though.
It looks like that this setup will be a HUGE pain in the buttocks if you try to disassemble it.
I would recommend having some sort of a backup system around smile.gif

It definitely will. Beyond the threat of leaky fittings ruining the whole concept, the complex disassembly (and indeed, complex assembly) problem is my single biggest worry about this design. I do have my tablet, and could procure another ordinary PC for at least some the day if need be, but have no proper reserve system which could viably take over for anything but a very short period.

To make life easier with this I originally considered using pairs of quick-disconnects on key sections of piping, so that when necessary they could be easily removed as a single piece. However the QDs are just too bulky and would get restrictive using so many. I then thought about, and indeed planned for, using D-plugs instead. In particular they could be fitted for easier disconnection of the sections of pipe which stop me from removing the motherboard cover, and of the manifolds which block removal of the graphics card cover. Unlike with the QDs the loop would need to be drained down, but that’s not too big a deal. However, I’m still worried that over time the friction of the dual o-rings holding them together would weaken as the rubber ages; meaning that the plugs would start to randomly, and spectacularly, fail under pressure - especially on the GPU-side.

I’m reasonably happy that I can set up easy access to the SSDs in the floorplate, without need to remove any of the pumps or their pipework, by splitting the acrylic sheet which covers them into separate sections. This shouldn’t spoil the look too much, and if done well it may not be noticeable at all. However I’m struggling to find any way to easily disconnect the lower radiators when required.

If you guys happen to have any brilliant ideas how to make the disassembly/reassembly easier, they’d be most welcome.
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It definitely will. Beyond the threat of leaky fittings ruining the whole concept, the complex disassembly (and indeed, complex assembly) problem is my single biggest worry about this design. I do have my tablet, and could procure another ordinary PC for at least some the day if need be, but have no proper reserve system which could viably take over for anything but a very short period.

To make life easier with this I originally considered using pairs of quick-disconnects on key sections of piping, so that when necessary they could be easily removed as a single piece. However the QDs are just too bulky and would get restrictive using so many. I then thought about, and indeed planned for, using D-plugs instead. In particular they could be fitted for easier disconnection of the sections of pipe which stop me from removing the motherboard cover, and of the manifolds which block removal of the graphics card cover. Unlike with the QDs the loop would need to be drained down, but that’s not too big a deal. However, I’m still worried that over time the friction of the dual o-rings holding them together would weaken as the rubber ages; meaning that the plugs would start to randomly, and spectacularly, fail under pressure - especially on the GPU-side.

I’m reasonably happy that I can set up easy access to the SSDs in the floorplate, without need to remove any of the pumps or their pipework, by splitting the acrylic sheet which covers them into separate sections. This shouldn’t spoil the look too much, and if done well it may not be noticeable at all. However I’m struggling to find any way to easily disconnect the lower radiators when required.

If you guys happen to have any brilliant ideas how to make the disassembly/reassembly easier, they’d be most welcome.
Well, easy may not be as beautiful.
I personally went with huge horizontal case for that particular reason (Huge = more room for my hands/activities, horizontal = no need to lay the case on the side) and went external water cooling for that reason (Easy access and no size/compatibility restrictions) as well.
Anyway i would suggest getting an ITX 4790k build aircooled with NH-D15 as a secondary build so that regardless of what happens, you will always have a reliable system to go to. And it may happen more than than the usual for the ultra complicated stuff smile.gif

I also hope that others will help you regarding easier assembly and disassembly.
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Well, easy may not be as beautiful.
I personally went with huge horizontal case for that particular reason (Huge = more room for my hands/activities, horizontal = no need to lay the case on the side) and went external water cooling for that reason (Easy access and no size/compatibility restrictions) as well.
Anyway i would suggest getting an ITX 4790k build aircooled with NH-D15 as a secondary build so that regardless of what happens, you will always have a reliable system to go to. And it may happen more than than the usual for the ultra complicated stuff smile.gif

I also hope that others will help you regarding easier assembly and disassembly.

It is true that the desire to make the build to look good was always going to cause the construction and maintenance to be more difficult. Maybe I can come up with a few tricks and alterations which will make life easier, without compromising anything important. If not, then I will just have to except awkward disassembly as the inevitable trade-off in getting the neatness I want.

Building a simple little ITX rig as a secondary system is a very good idea. Making it should be quick and inexpensive enough that it wouldn’t adversely affect work on Ironbeast, and I’d have a proper backup PC to use when the main rig is down. Definitely worth looking into, though I’m sure I’ll find ways to massively over-complicate that one too…
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It is true that the desire to make the build to look good was always going to cause the construction and maintenance to be more difficult. Maybe I can come up with a few tricks and alterations which will make life easier, without compromising anything important. If not, then I will just have to except awkward disassembly as the inevitable trade-off in getting the neatness I want.

Building a simple little ITX rig as a secondary system is a very good idea. Making it should be quick and inexpensive enough that it wouldn’t adversely affect work on Ironbeast, and I’d have a proper backup PC to use when the main rig is down. Definitely worth looking into, though I’m sure I’ll find ways to massively over-complicate that one too…

It's the cause if aesthetics isn't it? If not why wouldn't we just use soft tubing with a billion quick disconnects. That would make life easier ha.
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It is true that the desire to make the build to look good was always going to cause the construction and maintenance to be more difficult. Maybe I can come up with a few tricks and alterations which will make life easier, without compromising anything important. If not, then I will just have to except awkward disassembly as the inevitable trade-off in getting the neatness I want.

Building a simple little ITX rig as a secondary system is a very good idea. Making it should be quick and inexpensive enough that it wouldn’t adversely affect work on Ironbeast, and I’d have a proper backup PC to use when the main rig is down. Definitely worth looking into, though I’m sure I’ll find ways to massively over-complicate that one too…
Well, I wish you good luck finding those tricks smile.gif
The ITX will be useful even if your rig is up and running. You can have it do the secondary stuff and also use it when traveling as well as being a backup system.
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After seeing all the renders so far, this is the only thing I can come up with

     
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It's the cause if aesthetics isn't it? If not why wouldn't we just use soft tubing with a billion quick disconnects. That would make life easier ha.

Very true. It’s what I really like about custom-watercooled computers; they are as much about the personal artistry as they are the technology.

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Well, I wish you good luck finding those tricks smile.gif
The ITX will be useful even if your rig is up and running. You can have it do the secondary stuff and also use it when traveling as well as being a backup system.

Thanks, I’ll take all the luck I can get with this project.

I’ve been looking through some potential components for a little ITX rig, doing a few costings. Not sure exactly what motherboard I’ll go for yet, but probably an H97 - I don’t think there would be any particular need for me to go for Z97 (or that X99 ITX board). I’ll probably fit a decent GPU to it, 970 or 980 most likely, it should then be able handle anything I would reasonably need it to. I’m also thinking of going for some very low profile RAM and one of the 1U Flex-ATX power supplies, with the idea that I might eventually try and make this secondary rig into a briefcase computer.

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After seeing all the renders so far, this is the only thing I can come up with


Now what could there be over 9000 of I wonder...

Hours spent staring at CAD models…?

Millilitres of coffee consumed…?

Number of headache inducing design issues…?
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Very true. It’s what I really like about custom-watercooled computers; they are as much about the personal artistry as they are the technology.
Thanks, I’ll take all the luck I can get with this project.

I’ve been looking through some potential components for a little ITX rig, doing a few costings. Not sure exactly what motherboard I’ll go for yet, but probably an H97 - I don’t think there would be any particular need for me to go for Z97 (or that X99 ITX board). I’ll probably fit a decent GPU to it, 970 or 980 most likely, it should then be able handle anything I would reasonably need it to. I’m also thinking of going for some very low profile RAM and one of the 1U Flex-ATX power supplies, with the idea that I might eventually try and make this secondary rig into a briefcase computer.
Now what could there be over 9000 of I wonder...

Hours spent staring at CAD models…?

Millilitres of coffee consumed…?

Number of headache inducing design issues…?
Try to find an ITX case that fits the NH-D15 smile.gif
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Overclock.net › Forums › Case Mods & Cases › Builds & Case Mods › Build Logs › [Build Log] - IRONBEAST - A fully water cooled, X99, Quad GPU, 900D build