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Laithan, your MUM bios rocks! specool.gif
+1 Rep! biggrin.gif

I've been doing a lot of testing with your new MUMOD 1.1 this very week, most of them benches (I have to admit) but exactly the same as the other time, with lots of loops, three benchmarks / run / gpu_oc / mem_oc in 1440p extreme and two benchmarks (same formula) in 4K extreme (or Ultra) ohno-smiley.gifcoolsmiley02.gif
My two main goals were to firstly test the both gpu_oc and mem_oc for the (near)rock stability (especially in 4K) and secondly to mind the oc's performance increase gradually with the scores in order to proper validate the oc's.

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Originally Posted by arrow0309 View Post


I've tested intensively today with a couple of steps of oc on the gpu only and I've discover some, let's say, not bad aspects of this MUMOD bios cool.gif
First of all is a rocking stability and no throttling nor any perfcaps whatsoever thumb.gif
I've done a lot of loops and at least three benchmarks on session of the main four Heaven, Valley and 3DMark Fire Strike (Extreme) maxxed in 1440p and in 4K (for testing even more the stability) with Heaven, Valley, Fire Strike and the last one (of every oc step session) was the FFXIV @4K smile.gif
Man, it really took me a lot of time
And I'm gonna share the results also, first the 1440p results:

GPU @1531

Heaven 4.0
27.9/41.8/89.7 Score 1053
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Valley
26.6/43.3/78.7 Score 1811
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

3DMark Extreme
G7171 Score 6710
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



GPU @1551

Heaven 4.0
27.7/42.0/91.8 Score 1057
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Valley
27.2/43.7/80.5 Score 1829
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

3DMark Extreme
G7306 Score 6810
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


GPU @1571

Heaven 4.0
26.0/42.2/90.9 Score 1063
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Valley
27.3/44.0/80.9 Score 1839
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

3DMark Extreme
G7267 Score 6796
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


And the 4K tests (more on the 1551 and 1571 oc clocks) wink.gif

GPU @1551

FFXIV Score 4380
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


GPU @1551

FFXIV Score 4410
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Heaven 4.0
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Valley
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

3DMark Extreme
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


GPU @1571

FFXIV Score 4443
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Heaven 4.0
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Valley
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

3DMark Extreme
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Waiting for your comments, however I've noticed a (quite) small increment on the two oc steps with the two Heaven and Valley (@1440p) and 0 increment on the last Fire Strike Extreme (I ran three bencmarks of everything on 1440p and I simply took from the two very similar tests results, the greater one)
Also zero perf increment in 4K from 1551 to 1571 (maybe it doesn't even make sense pushing to more then 1551) with the two Heaven and Valley. I think they're not supposed to run and score high at that resolution (or maybe the memory oc can help some more)
The more demanding (and graphically stunning) FFXIV maximum @4K showed a constant increase.
You can see that there were no considerable temp increases (the temps tended to increase naturally after quite a while and with the more demanding Fire Strike and FFXIV in the end), just before the last oc session I've added some wc coolant on my res and also my tamb was somehow cooler, that's why I got on 1571 oc some max temps even lower than those of the lower 1551 oc
Notice also some %TDP Power Consumption fluctuation and its higher level with the FFXIV benchmarks (three x any oc session)

Tomorrow I'll start with adding some memory oc on the three gpu overclocks (starting with the 7500 and then with 7800), hope will keep up!


Like I said, I've really tested a lot, even at 1571 (gpu) with all the mem_oc's (including a 7800 mem_oc bench series), tests that I'm not going to include in my post this time due to their lower to even zero (at 1571 gpu_oc, in some tests) relevance.

~~ Memory OC @7500 ~~

GPU @1531
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 43.3 / Score 1091



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 18.3 / Score 461



Valley @1440p
FPS 45.3 / Score 1894



Valley @4K
FPS 21.0 / Score 880



3DMark Extreme
G7507 Score 7006



3DMark Ultra
G3682 Score 3724



FFXIV @4K
Score 4547



GPU @1551
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 43.6 / Score 1097



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 18.4 / Score 464



Valley @1440p
FPS 45.4 / Score 1900



Valley @4K
FPS 21.1 / Score 884



3DMark Extreme
G7523 Score 7031



3DMark Ultra
G3735 Score 3772



FFXIV @4K
Score 4581



To be continued ... (tons of pics) tongue.gif
Edited by arrow0309 - 10/17/15 at 8:37am
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~~ Memory OC @8000 ~~


GPU @1531
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 45.0 / Score 1132



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 19.1 / Score 481



Valley @1440p
FPS 47.2 / Score 1973



Valley @4K
FPS 21.8 / Score 913



3DMark Extreme
G7554 Score 7040



3DMark Ultra
G3702 Score 3743



FFXIV @4K
Score 4661



GPU @1551
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 45.2 / Score 1139



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 19.1 / Score 482



Valley @1440p
FPS 47.3 / Score 1980



Valley @4K
FPS 22.0 / Score 921



3DMark Extreme
G7620 Score 7095



3DMark Ultra
G3765 Score 3798



FFXIV @4K
Score 4722


I'm really happy of the results; started from an already stable and nice performing @1531 OC I've managed do push a "little" more, gaining some extra (1531_7000 to 1551_8000):

Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 41.8 / Score 1053 to FPS 45.2 / Score 1139


Valley @1440p
FPS 43.3 / Score 1811 to FPS 47.3 / Score 1980


Fire Strike @1440p (Extreme)
G7171 Score 6710 to G7620 Score 7095


FFXIV Heavensward @4K
Score 4380 to Score 4722


All without a single crash, artefact or a single cap, no throttling or powercap whatsoever (blank white bar always during the gpu load on the gpuz's power consumption bar) even my (gpuz's) power consumption din't ever get to 100% thumb.gifcool.gif

The Power Consumption ("TDP" or better new TDP related) on gpuz did increase though from a 90.0% TDP to a max 93.4% TDP during the Fire Strike Extreme series and from a 96% TDP to a max 98.6% TDP during the heavy and power hungry FF Heavensward @4K smile.gif


Waiting for (some) of your tips and/or comments before take the prize biggrin.gif
And, of course, it's time to start with some gaming to finally validate my new @1551 / 8000 gaming profile.

PS:
All of the extra oc's were done with the nvidia inspector exclusively
Edited by arrow0309 - 10/17/15 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by arrow0309 View Post

Laithan, your MUM bios rocks! specool.gif
+1 Rep! biggrin.gif
truncated (Click to show)
I've been doing a lot of testing with your new MUMOD 1.1 this very week, most of them benches (I have to admit) but exactly the same as the other time, with lots of loops, three benchmarks / run / gpu_oc / mem_oc in 1440p extreme and two benchmarks (same formula) in 4K extreme (or Ultra) ohno-smiley.gifcoolsmiley02.gif
My two main goals were to firstly test the both gpu_oc and mem_oc for the (near)rock stability (especially in 4K) and secondly to mind the oc's performance increase gradually with the scores in order to proper validate the oc's.

Like I said, I've really tested a lot, even at 1571 (gpu) with all the mem_oc's (including a 7800 mem_oc bench series), tests that I'm not going to include in my post this time due to their lower to even zero (at 1571 gpu_oc, in some tests) relevance.

~~ Memory OC @7500 ~~

GPU @1531
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 43.3 / Score 1091



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 18.3 / Score 461



Valley @1440p
FPS 45.3 / Score 1894



Valley @4K
FPS 21.0 / Score 880



3DMark Extreme
G7507 Score 7006



3DMark Ultra
G3682 Score 3724



FFXIV @4K
Score 4547



GPU @1551
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 43.6 / Score 1097



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 18.4 / Score 464



Valley @1440p
FPS 45.4 / Score 1900



Valley @4K
FPS 21.1 / Score 884



3DMark Extreme
G7523 Score 7031



3DMark Ultra
G3735 Score 3772



FFXIV @4K
Score 4581



To be continued ... (tons of pics) tongue.gif



Quote:
Originally Posted by arrow0309 View Post

~~ Memory OC @8000 ~~

truncated (Click to show)
GPU @1531
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 45.0 / Score 1132



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 19.1 / Score 481



Valley @1440p
FPS 47.2 / Score 1973



Valley @4K
FPS 21.8 / Score 913



3DMark Extreme
G7554 Score 7040



3DMark Ultra
G3702 Score 3743



FFXIV @4K
Score 4661



GPU @1551
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 45.2 / Score 1139



Heaven 4.0 @4K
FPS 19.1 / Score 482



Valley @1440p
FPS 47.3 / Score 1980



Valley @4K
FPS 22.0 / Score 921



3DMark Extreme
G7620 Score 7095



3DMark Ultra
G3765 Score 3798



FFXIV @4K
Score 4722


I'm really happy of the results; started from an already stable and nice performing @1531 OC I've managed do push a "little" more, gaining some extra (1531_7000 to 1551_8000):

Heaven 4.0 @1440p
FPS 41.8 / Score 1053 to FPS 45.2 / Score 1139


Valley @1440p
FPS 43.3 / Score 1811 to FPS 47.3 / Score 1980


Fire Strike @1440p (Extreme)
G7171 Score 6710 to G7620 Score 7095


FFXIV Heavensward @4K
Score 4380 to Score 4722


All without a single crash, artefact or a single cap, no throttling or powercap whatsoever (blank white bar always during the gpu load on the gpuz's power consumption bar) even my (gpuz's) power consumption din't ever get to 100% thumb.gifcool.gif

The Power Consumption ("TDP" or better new TDP related) on gpuz did increase though from a 90.0% TDP to a max 93.4% TDP during the Fire Strike Extreme series and from a 96% TDP to a max 98.6% TDP during the heavy and power hungry FF Heavensward @4K smile.gif


Waiting for (some) of your tips and/or comments before take the prize biggrin.gif
And, of course, it's time to start with some gaming to finally validate my new @1551 / 8000 gaming profile.

PS:
All of the extra oc's were done with the nvidia inspector exclusively


Thanks for the feedback! Great job!!

I love your posts! thumbsupsmiley.png

specool.gif

coolsmiley.png
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Hey Laithan, I'm back! (With a lot more rep too)! I unsubbed for a while so I could get some work done tongue.gif It was too distracting. Check my sig for the Batch Windows Update Uninstaller. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
You can make change the list very easily with minimal copy/pasting and it has logging, unlike all the other scripts. To the best of my knowledge it is the most complete telemetry/GWX update uninstall list in existence!

I'm typing to you on a machine with a 9xx series card in it. MY MACHINE! biggrin.gif That's right, I've finally upgraded!!!

Though I didn't have much money, I was able to score myself a used GIGABYTE GTX 970 G1 for only $260!!!! eek.gif What a steal!!! *flashing lights*

Of course the first thing I tried to do was flash your bios, but I've run into a problem...

Actually, the first thing I did was remove the cooler and take off the MASSIVE amount of dried out thermal paste. Seriously, it was the worst application of thermal paste I've ever seen from a manufacturer. It was like it was a mix of clay, putty, and some thermal paste with a hint of grease for good measure. blinksmiley.gif Horrible. Anyway, after I got my glorious PK3 on there I installed it and fired up... to a UEFI/CSM settings error? I thought it had a UEFI bios..? So I change the settings to accommodate and.... same error! Then I start to panic a little because the other options aren't specifically for the PCI device... I tried more settings, and more settings! It wouldn't work! FIne, guess I just have to put my 770 back in with it so I can flash the 970 bios. Ahh but I've been living in a hotel for 2 months so I don't have those cables with me.
(House HALF torn down from mold, being rebuilt, new roof, rooms/walls/paint, complete bathroom scrap and redo, floors, lights, attic insulation everthing, patch mouse holes, etc!!).

Anyways, I panicked for 2 hours over why my computer could not boot and had a bad uefi/csm error message and went to sleep very late being unable to fix it. In the morning I decided to just install my 770 again so at least it works, BUT I GOT THE SAME MESSAGE! Now starts the real panic. Why would it do this? It's exactly the same as it was? Maybe I should update the MB bios with the file I've had sitting on my flash drive. That'll fix it! But no, it didn't. And I tried resetting the bios and everything. I even checked to make sure the power and data cables were plugged into my drive. After 2 hours I dawned on me... the idiot check! I forgot the idiot check! I'm sure you know exactly what I mean here. The "Idiot check" is to make sure every single cable and component is connected securely and properly. So that even if you are an idiot, logically it MUST work anyways!

The result? I found the SATA power was unplugged and hanging obviously from my PSU. doh.gif
I have no words to describe how stupid I felt when I realized it. Only this picture.

And also this one. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The face of understanding your absolute failure.
lol

So, now that THAT'S out of the way, time to flash the bios. DP is correct for me. You have F3, but mine is F80 (new??) It is not listed on the gigabyte website either! I have Samsung RAM and a bios version of 84.04.31.00.B8 12/24/14.
See? Not supported! http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5209#bios
Quote:
F1, it can only be updated with VBIOS versions F2-F9.
F10, it can only be updated with VBIOS versions F11-F19.
F20, it can only be updated with VBIOS versions F21-F29.

There's F3, F13, F42, and F51. Soooooo which do I flash to for an official bios?

I need the official bios to modify it for your settings. frown.gif AND NVFlash is not working for me. nvflash 5.190.0.1 which works for my 770 dark-purple screened me instantly. I tried nvflash 5.218.0.1 x64 Certs Bypassed by Joedirt but that rejected any modified bios as well AND it doesn't work with my 770. NVFlash 5.227.0.1 didn't work either. I really need a version of NVFlash that is compatible with all cards and will flash what I tell it to, but I'll take one that can flash this card at least. smile.gif

Help?

EDIT: Also, your 970 MU bioses don't match names (and versions?). 970F3-MAX-UNLEASHED-REL1.1 & 970F3DP-MAXU-1312-REL1.0. Unfortunately my ASIC is 67.3% so I'll probably be wanting that 1.313v version. thumb.gif
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/17/15 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by cookieboyeli View Post

Hey Laithan, I'm back! (With a lot more rep too)!

I was able to score myself a used GIGABYTE GTX 970 G1 for only $260!!!! eek.gif What a steal!!! *flashing lights*

So, now that THAT'S out of the way, time to flash the bios. DP is correct for me. You have F3, but mine is F80 (new??) It is not listed on the gigabyte website either! I have Samsung RAM and a bios version of 84.04.31.00.B8 12/24/14.

Soooooo which do I flash to for an official bios?

I need the official bios to modify it for your settings.

Hey hey!! Welcome back 'ol buddy! Thanks for the update, good luck with everything, sounds like you've got your hands full! Wow!

Congrats on the 970! Woo hoo!!

It appears that the latest revision of the 970's have F80 BIOS. The bad news is that they don't post a F80 BIOS on their website. The good news is that there's a very good reason for this. It just means that ALL of that particular revision PCB have the F80 BIOS. The original (Model F8, BIOS 0) and there is no posted BIOS because ALL of these cards can only have the same BIOS, the original F80, They simply haven't released an update for that particular PCB revision (and probably won't). I am sure it is essentially the same as the latest BIOS for the other earlier revisions.

Just extract you current BIOS with GPU-z, make a copy of it, and then copy over the MUMOD settings. thumb.gif

Excited to see the results cheers.gif
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Thanks for the feedback! Great job!!

I love your posts! thumbsupsmiley.png

specool.gif

coolsmiley.png

You're always welcome bro! biggrin.gifwink.gif
So, whaddya think? I'm fine at 1551/8000? Does it make any sense to continue with the mem oc (hynix on my 980)?
Talking about the mem oc cause the gpu, like I said, won't increase any score (in most of the above benchmarks) on the higher (1571) gpu oc.
We're getting pretty much of its (architecture) limits? rolleyes.gifthinking.gif
Or maybe should I try some even higher clocks (only for benchmark's sake)? Snorkle.gif
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Thanks for the feedback! Great job!!

I love your posts! thumbsupsmiley.png

specool.gif

coolsmiley.png

You're always welcome bro! biggrin.gifwink.gif
So, whaddya think? I'm fine at 1551/8000? Does it make any sense to continue with the mem oc (hynix on my 980)?
Talking about the mem oc cause the gpu, like I said, won't increase any score (in most of the above benchmarks) on the higher (1571) gpu oc.
We're getting pretty much of its (architecture) limits? rolleyes.gifthinking.gif
Or maybe should I try some even higher clocks (only for benchmark's sake)? Snorkle.gif
Lucky... that is a decent OC, above average. But once you hit 1564MHz you are in "another catagory" so to speak. At least I think so. smile.gif It's like... more than halfway to the next hundred so it must be a big deal. lol

I thought because I was on a 970 I'd get higher clocks on average, but I'm hitting VRel at 1518 which is all it will ever boost to with my crap 67.3% ASIC. I haven't got to play a game with it for more than a minute yet. I've bricked the bios twice though. thumb.gif Maxwell BIOS editing is NOT LIKE KEPLER. Things that worked great on Kepler render the card unbootable on Maxwell.

What I really want is to disable this stupid boost all together. What a silly idea! If you're stable at max clocks, you're stable. Keep them there under load. Especially high load. If temps are to high it will thermal throttle, if voltage is too low or clocks are too high you'll find out the hard way. After seeing how it works for a while... Boost doesn't seem to be anything but pure gimmick and a few watts power saving at the expense of instability and unpredictability. It's a gimmick just like GFE. frown.gif /rant

So I turned Boost clock to "disabled" but it didn't do anything. Have a better way? What's even more worrying is that my +13mhz slider is stuck at the bottom and there is no boost readout, even with the stock bios I extracted from my card. Oops, I think I edited my stock by mistake.... Yea I deleted my only copy. No F80 on Techpowerup or Gigabyte's website. Do I contact Gigabyte for a new copy and tell them to post their bioses like sane logical people? (for insane illogical people like me who abuse their GPU on day 1?)

See?


Jeez I forgot about the 70c thermal throttle you guys had to deal with. Man this sucks! haha There's got to be a way to get rid of this. Before when you couldn't stop the throttle you just set the base clock to the same as boost or max TDP clock and you were good to go, but this ignores those values entirely, paying attention to boost only for it's clocks...
It's true I barely hit 70c in Heaven on 1.313v so I think games will be OK, and this isn't even with my Raijintek Morpheus installed yet. I think I might actually bring that to a metal shop or home depot or something to get lapped before I install it on the 970. The base reminds me of a holographic card from the 90's with a curve. Same deal with my NH-D15. The 970 cooler however is remarkably rough. There are some pretty big gaps where the heatpipes meet and a pretty rough pattern opposite them. If I were planning on using this cooler long term I'd definitely have to do something about that. It's certainly not helping the situation. Those people who just need a few more degrees could finally get them after lapping to nice shiny or even mirror finish if possible. Less metal in the way too! Just don't break through the heatpipes! thumb.gif

OK NOW I'm really going to bed. Here's a bench, before and after GPU upgrade!

770 Lightning 1306MHz | 3850MHz



970 G1 1518MHz | 3506MHz (4000MHz added 11 points, increased max fps by 1.7 and fps by .5. I'm surprised at how little effect there is. 770 gets 3fps going from 3506 to 3850).


Damn, I was really hoping for a solid 1.5x increase over my 770. This is "only" 1.34x. tongue.gif
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/18/15 at 6:41am
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Doesn't sound like you MOD'd yet fully if you are getting perfcaps tongue.gif

Post your BIOS I can take a look if you want
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Doesn't sound like you MOD'd yet fully if you are getting perfcaps tongue.gif

Post your BIOS I can take a look if you want
Strange! I'll post it. By the way, did you see my note about your 970 1.313v edition not matching your regular edition? It looks like you forgot to update it and it's still v1.0 instead of v1.1. I used the values from 1.1 regular to update the 1.313 version.
EDIT: 970G1-F80-DP-MAXU1.1-1312.zip 136k .zip file We should note Samsung, Hynix, or Elpida memory since Fxx doesn't determine it. Mine is Samsung.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/18/15 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

I condensed to what I am replying to ^

Yes, the 970 values in the OP work very well. Extract your BIOS, open them side by side and copy ALL values over. Let us know if you need help. All the info in the OP smile.gif I will warn you that a custom BIOS will have HIGHER power supply requirements, so with your current PS you WILL be pushing it more and likely to run into problems as a result.

DDU - I am NOT SURE, but be careful with DDU and Windows 10 is it even compatible? I have experienced an issue where even under Windows 7 DDU got a little bit "too excited" and removed more than it should have.. leaving me with system instabilities. I can't say for sure if that's what you are dealing with, but for me I needed to restore an image I made of my O/S a few months back frown.gif.

The fact that stock drivers meant for 8.1 are working but not Win10 native drivers is another sign that you may have damaged your O/S itself. I'm not familiar with Win10 "repairs", but I am sure they have some options to help repair an O/S..

I would NOT think you hardware is bad, especially if the wrong drivers seem to make the hardware work ok, it almost proves the hardware isn't the issue.

Power supply can really be hard to troubleshoot however with a 970 I agree you have more wiggle room. If this was a 980 or a 980Ti, it would be a slam dunk. We can assume your PS is sufficient based on what you said but I also agree, power supply is suspicious.

Good luck!

thanks for the reply
I exported my BIOS, edited the values to match those from the BIOS you posted in OP but still have black screens and BSODs related to nvidia drivers
I guess upping the voltage did not help

I am now running BIOS with your values, but still have to set the GPU to performance mode to avoid any issues

do you perhaps have unmodified F80 BIOS values so I can revert the BIOS to its original values (in case I have to return the GPU to the shop..I made a backup of original BIOS but lost it)?

also, how do you switch between the 2 BIOS versions on G1 GTX970?
The GPU comes with 2 BIOS versions, but its not stated anywhere how to switch between the two (as far as I know it involves switching the DVI input?)..

thanks

btw the OS is not damaged - I did an upgrade from a stable windows 8.1 installation and then made a clean install after a format (but the issue still persists)
Win10 was installed from an image downloaded from microsoft..
Edited by Fanu - 10/19/15 at 5:20am
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