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I condensed to what I am replying to ^

Yes, the 970 values in the OP work very well. Extract your BIOS, open them side by side and copy ALL values over. Let us know if you need help. All the info in the OP smile.gif I will warn you that a custom BIOS will have HIGHER power supply requirements, so with your current PS you WILL be pushing it more and likely to run into problems as a result.

DDU - I am NOT SURE, but be careful with DDU and Windows 10 is it even compatible? I have experienced an issue where even under Windows 7 DDU got a little bit "too excited" and removed more than it should have.. leaving me with system instabilities. I can't say for sure if that's what you are dealing with, but for me I needed to restore an image I made of my O/S a few months back frown.gif.

The fact that stock drivers meant for 8.1 are working but not Win10 native drivers is another sign that you may have damaged your O/S itself. I'm not familiar with Win10 "repairs", but I am sure they have some options to help repair an O/S..

I would NOT think you hardware is bad, especially if the wrong drivers seem to make the hardware work ok, it almost proves the hardware isn't the issue.

Power supply can really be hard to troubleshoot however with a 970 I agree you have more wiggle room. If this was a 980 or a 980Ti, it would be a slam dunk. We can assume your PS is sufficient based on what you said but I also agree, power supply is suspicious.

Good luck!

thanks for the reply
I exported my BIOS, edited the values to match those from the BIOS you posted in OP but still have black screens and BSODs related to nvidia drivers
I guess upping the voltage did not help

I am now running BIOS with your values, but still have to set the GPU to performance mode to avoid any issues

do you perhaps have unmodified F80 BIOS values so I can revert the BIOS to its original values (in case I have to return the GPU to the shop..I made a backup of original BIOS but lost it)?

also, how do you switch between the 2 BIOS versions on G1 GTX970?
The GPU comes with 2 BIOS versions, but its not stated anywhere how to switch between the two (as far as I know it involves switching the DVI input?)..

thanks

btw the OS is not damaged - I did an upgrade from a stable windows 8.1 installation and then made a clean install after a format (but the issue still persists)
Win10 was installed from an image downloaded from microsoft..
This is exactly what you use DDU to fix. Whatever issue Laithan encountered was probably not caused by DDU as the root issue. Also clean the AMD and Intel sections with DDU also, even if those aren't currently installed as they can and do mess things up for each other after uninstallation. When you reinstall 358.59, reinstall the driver and PhysX ONLY! The other stuff is just dead weight and has causes issues more often than not. (GFE was causing BSODs a while back).

Just in case your WIndows is corrupted as it can happen REALLY EASILY I recommend you run sfc /scannow and then Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

If nothing was wrong then no harm no foul, but if something was wrong then this will safely fix it.

Lastly, get CCleaner and CCEnhancer and run them with everything checked. (Do the registry scan/repair as well). There are some areas that DDU doesn't clean like caches that can cause issues like this.

Not that it will help the issue, but try these settings. They are "the best". thumb.gif



@Laithan How is my bios? Is it ok? Last night I modified my bios to diverge from yours and it's changed it so it throttled at 76c instead of 70c, and instead of throttling 100MHz with vRel it went down by 13MHz not more than 26MHz. It was wavering quickly between clocks as it got hotter. It got to 91c after 10 minutes on OCCT (Heaven is 10-20c cooler) and idles at 51c because of 1.313v. Strangely it seems to run WAY hotter. This makes it unstable at 1506MHz with this bios and it's temps so I had to set it to 1481MHz. frown.gif

On your bios settings it takes a long time to get above 80c and maxes at 82c in OCCT, 62c in Heaven.

1.313vLOCK970G1-F80S-DP-MAXU1.1-1312.zip 136k .zip file
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/19/15 at 1:09pm
post #2272 of 7572
Hello Laithan

I thought I would try out your BIOS mod on my MSI 980ti (basic reference design) i have put under water cooling.

I extracted my own BIOS from my card using GPU-Z and then unlocked the 2 extra voltage sliders using the Kepler Bios Tweakler. I then went ahead and started copying the settings from your BIOS over to my cards BIOS. However, in Maxwell BIOS tweaker (version 1.36) there are some voltage levels I am not able to select in the voltage table. For example in your BETA4 BIOS you have level 1231.3mV - 1231.3mV on the first slider. I can either chose 1225.0 or 1237.5mV but not 1231.3 using the slider. There are many other example where in your BIOS you are using some voltage steps that I cannot set with the sliders. If I open your BIOS in MBT and try move a slide it also jumps away from you voltage level and I cannot get back to it with the slider. How did you set the voltage?

I hope my question makes sense.


What I have done now is to copy the values from your BETA4 bios and then set the voltages (where i could not make them match) to the closet value one step up using the slider.

Great work on the BIOS testing. By the way my card is 79% ASIC and currently I can run it at 1555 boost + 8000 mem at 31Celcius (very close to Radiator out temperatur). There might be more in it but not sure. Will soon try your UNLEASED settings. Just want to figure out how to set the voltages similar to your settings and not just the closest step I can get.


/Nordar
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Hello Laithan

I thought I would try out your BIOS mod on my MSI 980ti (basic reference design) i have put under water cooling.

I extracted my own BIOS from my card using GPU-Z and then unlocked the 2 extra voltage sliders using the Kepler Bios Tweakler. I then went ahead and started copying the settings from your BIOS over to my cards BIOS. However, in Maxwell BIOS tweaker (version 1.36) there are some voltage levels I am not able to select in the voltage table. For example in your BETA4 BIOS you have level 1231.3mV - 1231.3mV on the first slider. I can either chose 1225.0 or 1237.5mV but not 1231.3 using the slider. There are many other example where in your BIOS you are using some voltage steps that I cannot set with the sliders. If I open your BIOS in MBT and try move a slide it also jumps away from you voltage level and I cannot get back to it with the slider. How did you set the voltage?

I hope my question makes sense.


What I have done now is to copy the values from your BETA4 bios and then set the voltages (where i could not make them match) to the closet value one step up using the slider.

Great work on the BIOS testing. By the way my card is 79% ASIC and currently I can run it at 1555 boost + 8000 mem at 31Celcius (very close to Radiator out temperatur). There might be more in it but not sure. Will soon try your UNLEASED settings. Just want to figure out how to set the voltages similar to your settings and not just the closest step I can get.


/Nordar
Hey have you tried moving the sliders with the arrow keys?

EDIT: Excellent! I wasn't skipping steps, but had a hard/tedious time controlling it with the mouse, and I'm on 1440p so I figured at 1080p it was possible that you wouldn't get the control. thumb.gif
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/20/15 at 1:24am
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Hello Cookeyboyeli


Thanks. Using the arrow keys helped.


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Laithan, in addition to the changes in the bios above I've completely removed the throttling by increasing all def and max power limits by 20% (now 207% instead of 150%) though I think that might actually be way too much, and something 10% would have been better. I'll test that tomorrow.

970G1-F80S-DP-MAXU1.1-1312LOCK20PWR.zip 136k .zip file

Idling at 1.313v gives me 48c idle temps. It's clocked up when chrome is open.

I'll quickly check if it still throttles by 100MHz when I put the voltage back to normal 1.313v mode.

I'm telling you man, OCCT is a stress test like no other. Domain, chow mein! Try it!

EDIT: When I reach 160% power it throttles. I'm thinking this is the exact same issue I had with my Kepler card. The lesser used power values towards the bottom are actually important and stopping throttling. I tried raising everything to 996w like you could with Kepler to cut the crap, but it gave me a BSOD boot loop with Maxwell. I'll try to figure out which ones, if any, are causing the issue tomorrow.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/20/15 at 4:09am
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Turns out I'm more interested in this than sleeping. On a hunch I decided to set GPU-Z to .1 sensor refresh to see if I could catch a micro throttle. Indeed I did, but only testing what I previously thought was an "unstable" clock!

So first off 1480MHz is stable somewhere above 90c on OCCT which I don't remember. No errors for a whole 15 minute BURN. And I really mean BURN! It took a few minutes of 100% fans just to get it back to normal ranges! devil.gif Haha everybody is so scared of temps. It's not that I like them or don't like good cooling, I just don't stop when they get high if I have no choice. Gotta do what you gotta do. 15 minute OCCT is my standard as nothing has ever gone wrong after 8 minutes on core and 12 minutes on memory.

Anyway, 1493MHz is stable until just about 90c then I get throttling and when it throttles, it errors. (Voltage steps not working right maybe? THinking of putting both sides at 1313 from clk 35 up but I'm not that bored/out of options yet lol).

1506 though was very interesting. Before all this I would get errors pretty soon after starting OCCT before reaching throttle temps, and when I manually downclocked to 1480MHz I never got those errors, but couldn't test far enough to confirm it's stability because of the throttling.

Since I've been able to fix that AND a lot of the minor 13MHz throttle/downclocking, I decided to try 1506MHz again to see if it was my GPU being incapable, or the bios messing me up.

This time I was able to get to 80c and then I saw a some errors pop up and then a few more. I quit to look at the GPU-Z log since I couldn't see it in MSI Afterburner or the GPU-Z chart. It's not actually hitting 160% BUT it was getting a perfcap of 1 for the reason of throttle to 1493, which means not enough power! I do believe I am correct in my previous theory. smile.gif
There is a lesser power setting that is not tuned high enough. Now to start the guessing game so I don't have to flash the bios 10 times with 5 minutes between each flash....

Yea this should probably wait until morning. ....or perhaps I can test once while I brush my teeth. biggrin.gif

Here's the GPU-Z log for you guys to look at. Line 1318
GPU-ZSensorLog.txt 611k .txt file

EDIT2: Yup, I was right(ish). First try too! thumb.gif The problem was that I misedited the default power value from 232w to 201w and put the max from whatever it was to something really high over 400w, so the percentage got messed up. Now it's back at the correct values from 970 G1 Max Unleashed 1.313v v1.1 (which by the way "doesn't actually exist" because Laithan forgot to make it! We only have a 1.1 1.275v and a 1.0 1.313v).

I also completely missed another entire set of values when I increased everything by 20%.

After those two modifications I was able to make it to 82c before getting errors which I can confirm are NOT from throttling as it did not throttle or perfcap whatsoever, but from my GPU not being able to handle 1506MHz at 82c using 1.313v.

It's likely only one or two of the power settings I increased that needed it, so I'll put a few back at a time until I find them.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/20/15 at 5:14am
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Hi Laithan - I'm still waiting for a replacement 980 ti .. I regret RMA'ing it tbh..

Quick question - can your bios be applied to the MSI 980 ti? Are results better or worse?

EDIT: I just searched the thread and found your previous advice on this. I presume I'd get better results with the G1 because of the cooling? I'm wondering why many more people prefer the MSI over the G1 980 ti? Coil whine?
Edited by RS11 - 10/20/15 at 5:52am
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Hi Laithan - I'm still waiting for a replacement 980 ti .. I regret RMA'ing it tbh..

Quick question - can your bios be applied to the MSI 980 ti? Are results better or worse?

EDIT: I just searched the thread and found your previous advice on this. I presume I'd get better results with the G1 because of the cooling? I'm wondering why many more people prefer the MSI over the G1 980 ti? Coil whine?
Brand bias and because they don't know. That's basically it. You can use these settings on any card, but the card might not be as stable with them of work at all. If it doesn't after two boots in a boot loop you'll automaclly enter an advanved menu which you can select boot in safe mode from. DO that and flash your old bios back. I've done that twice today already. redface.gif (WHy am I not sleeping 4 hours ago?!?)
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Brand bias and because they don't know. That's basically it. You can use these settings on any card, but the card might not be as stable with them of work at all. If it doesn't after two boots in a boot loop you'll automaclly enter an advanved menu which you can select boot in safe mode from. DO that and flash your old bios back. I've done that twice today already. redface.gif (WHy am I not sleeping 4 hours ago?!?)

I hear ya.. I decided to go for another G1 in any case. Here's to hoping that it will be a good one!
post #2280 of 7572
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Originally Posted by RS11 View Post

Hi Laithan - I'm still waiting for a replacement 980 ti .. I regret RMA'ing it tbh..

Quick question - can your bios be applied to the MSI 980 ti? Are results better or worse?

EDIT: I just searched the thread and found your previous advice on this. I presume I'd get better results with the G1 because of the cooling? I'm wondering why many more people prefer the MSI over the G1 980 ti? Coil whine?

MSI is also a good option for going clc set up, but as stated its mostly preference and colors. tongue.gif
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