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100C

I sometimes get slightly over 80C my TjMax is 100C also. I would say it is good to go! Looks good bro!

(If you fry your chip, my account was hi-jacked) lol
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I know, lol, but that was like 20 minute of gaming
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Thank you for sharing your results.

Indeed you've got a gold G1, mine had a 72.8% Asic but could only go as far as 1480 stable.

The Xtreme i currently have though is a total different beast! Same exact Asic (Coincidence) 72.8% but stable at over 1570Mhz core!

I have to ask about your methodology though: What game did you use to confirm stability?
I'm asking because i also got around 1600Mhz for my core stable at some benchmarks but i killed it with WITCHER 3@4K.
Just start a new game and leave Geralt like that and wait. Around 4-5 minutes you will crash. 1570/8000 is the max i can get stable.

Hope you get great results!

I ran heaven benchmark 4 times and FF heavensward-benchmark 2 times, and no crash so far. I am very happy with my Xtreme w/ modded bios. I am looking forward to getting the next bios.


Guys, How much do you think that gold G1 is worth??
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Hi Laithan,

Can you try and boot Linux with CSM disabled and secure boot enabled (set to windows mode)?
I think UEFI mode in Linux, and the motherboard bios for that matter is not working, even though gigabyte and gpuz claims that it is.
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Did I read that right?? You flashed the Gigabyte Ti extreme BIOS to an MSI 6G card?

You are lucky you didn't brick your GPU!

Just to help clarify:
* REFERENCE GPUs can usually share BIOS' because they are all the same PCB design.
* CUSTOM PCBs should ALWAYS use the BIOS that was designed for that PCB.

One of the problems is that others on the interweb use the word "Reference BIOS" for a "MODIFIED BIOS" and this causes confusion. What they REALLY MEAN is "this BIOS can be used as a REFERENCE to modify YOUR BIOS". You would take YOUR BIOS and open it up side by side with the BIOS you are "copying from (using as a reference)" and configure all the settings to match the MOD BIOS. You would then have YOUR BIOS with the tweaks provided.

Please clarify if that is what you did and if so I can help get the correct BIOS for your card. It obviously works but it wouldn't be technically correct and there is some risk running a BIOS that was intended for someone else's custom PCB design (possibly overheating or sending wrong memory voltages, things like that). It is literally like taking a car's computer from a FORD and installing it in a CHEVROLET.. it may start up and drive if lucky but it wouldn't "be right". wink.gif

Voltage, GM200 (980Ti) on AIR does NOT like high voltage. You would just be increasing temps even more. 1.3v on GM200 is not even needed on H2O and certainly not AIR. I wouldn't "go there", that's asking to kill your GPU/VRMs.

oh hell no, im not a newb tongue.gif ive copied the settings 1:1 from the waterforce extreme bios. but i was just asking if more voltage would have an positive effecte or if theres a diminishing return. the voltage from the v4 air bios (1.237 i believe) was almost enough, the 1.281/7 voltage is alread overkill i think but i was wondering since im on a custom loop and temps are hitting max 55c after stresstesting over night... i think i check the new bios with the increased voltage and see how that goes! (to see if i get the same clocks as with the waterforce extreme bios)
Edited by minsekt - 1/27/16 at 9:09pm
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Well i have app center from the gigabyte where it show me there is new f5 bios to upgrade, but i am monitoring with speecy too,
On the app center i use and have only 2 programs whcih are easy tune for Oc button the processor to 4.4 and SIV to check hardware monitor and tune processor and system fans graphics
Maybe something happen when i updated my card bios, both are gigabyte, who knows. But again i need to upgrade my motherboard bios ...
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

BIOS FA0 is indeed a new one. Will be interested to see it. YES you are using the DP BIOS with your current monitor configuration.

Doesn't matter though we can just unlocked the sliders in this new FA0 BIOS and copy all the settings over smile.gif

This is the H2O BIOS you will want to copy the settings from. The one that you used is the AIR BIOS.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1544574/gigabyte-gtx-9xx-g1-gaming-h2o-air-bios-tweaking/2580#post_24650930
I checked, you did it correctly just with the AIR BIOS instead of the H2O one. wink.gif With a water block installed you will want the H2O BIOS biggrin.gif

Following your advice, I copied settings from the H2O bios over to my FA0 BIOS. Flashed the card last night using JoeDirt's tool, and maxed voltage and power limit sliders in Afterburner. Seemed rock solid at 1506 core, so I started pushing. I didn't hit a limit or crash at all but I ran out of time last night. I ran some benchmarks at 1529 Core @ 1.274V. I'll keep pushing to find my card's limit this week. I can post my FA0 H20 bios also if anyone wants it. For these tests my CPU was running at a very moderate 4.4GHz OC. I'll tune my CPU when I'm done tuning my GPU.

Here's 3dmark Fire Strike scores
Stock Bios, Stock Speeds
and
H2O Mod Bios, 1529MHz Core

I also completed a few runs of Heavensward at 4k with everything maxed out. GPU Temperature maxed at 45° C during Heavensward tests. CPU maxed at 65° C which is a pretty high but I'm using an older waterblock, might delid it later anyways. T_Sensor1 in the screenshot is water temp sensor. Heavensward Screenshot (Click to show)
EDIT: I forgot to mention: Thank you for all your help, Laithan.
Edited by djchup - 1/28/16 at 9:16am
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Hi Laithan,

Can you try and boot Linux with CSM disabled and secure boot enabled (set to windows mode)?
I think UEFI mode in Linux, and the motherboard bios for that matter is not working, even though gigabyte and gpuz claims that it is.

I really don't know Linux so I'm instant n00b. smile.gif

Could I test this with a LiveCD also? Can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks bud
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oh hell no, im not a newb tongue.gif ive copied the settings 1:1 from the waterforce extreme bios. but i was just asking if more voltage would have an positive effecte or if theres a diminishing return. the voltage from the v4 air bios (1.237 i believe) was almost enough, the 1.281/7 voltage is alread overkill i think but i was wondering since im on a custom loop and temps are hitting max 55c after stresstesting over night... i think i check the new bios with the increased voltage and see how that goes! (to see if i get the same clocks as with the waterforce extreme bios)

Oh thank the beer gods! (you like that politically correct even lol) Please forgive me then and we'll just let it serve as a reminder to the audience as to what NOT to do tongue.gif

cheers.gif


As far as additional voltage on GM200 (Titan-X and 980Ti) there is a VERY different result depending on if you are using AIR or H2O.

First, I will re-post some comparison testing showing that when using the EXACT SAME VOLTAGE there is a CONSIDERABLE difference in overclocking ability. I simply found the highest stable speed for each individual test on AIR and then after installed the water blocks, using the SAME BIOS I just re-ran all of the tests and to my surprise the results were showing considerable differences when you factor that the exact same BIOS/Voltage is being used.

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more detail than you want! (Click to show)

The above tests do not add additional voltage. So what happens if I added additional voltage while still on AIR? I don't have results to post for that because the answer is nothing. I didn't get ANY overclocking headroom by raising voltages on AIR. GPU temps were noticeably higher (sometimes SCARY high like 85C and climbing) without any benefit. The conclusion was that it looks like VRM temps are a big issue on AIR. The G1 stock cooler DOES provide passive cooling to the VRMs also (makes contact with them) however it doesn't seem to matter it seems to just delay the inevitable and eventually overheat.

Now these are MY results, your results may differ. Since I've done the testing a couple have been brave and wanted to try the H2O BIOS on an AIR card (bad idea... really it is.. don't do it)...and a few with some lower ASIC values (low 60's) claimed to actually notice some additional headroom with higher voltage.

Long story short, I created a new version of the AIR BIOS in the OP with a voltage set IN-BETWEEN the AIR BIOS and the H2O BIOS for those who want to see if it helps with 1.268v instead of 1.237v (the H2O BIOS is 1.281v). I titled it V5BETA because it could possibly fix the STB also. I would expect it to potentially help those with a lower ASIC value. The BIOS is found here, I am waiting for feedback/testing before I incorporate it into the OP.

So the short version to your question is additional voltage (BUT NOT TOO MUCH MORE) actually may help depending on your ASIC% value but for those with a higher ASIC% would probably not see any benefit so better to stay at the lower voltage for thermal reasons. There is ALSO an increased thermal risk, especially with your VRMs which we cannot monitor via software. When doing any type of overclock headroom testing with voltage please crank your fan speed up to 80% while testing as a safety measure. And as you might have guessed by that last comment, it WILL be LOUD..

running higher voltage and overclocking with a MOD BIOS and "silent" when on AIR is really not realistic... This is why water blocks for GM200 are so popular (again you get O/C headroom by JUST adding the block alone!)

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Well i have app center from the gigabyte where it show me there is new f5 bios to upgrade, but i am monitoring with speecy too,
On the app center i use and have only 2 programs whcih are easy tune for Oc button the processor to 4.4 and SIV to check hardware monitor and tune processor and system fans graphics
Maybe something happen when i updated my card bios, both are gigabyte, who knows. But again i need to upgrade my motherboard bios ...

This is the page for the 980Ti BIOS'
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5472#bios

The latest one is still listed as F4. Are you saying that this app installed an F5 BIOS and overwrote your MOD BIOS? If you have a F5 BIOS please extract it, zip it up and post it here in your reply. Thank you


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Originally Posted by djchup View Post

Following your advice, I copied settings from the H2O bios over to my FA0 BIOS. Flashed the card last night using JoeDirt's tool, and maxed voltage and power limit sliders in Afterburner. Seemed rock solid at 1506 core, so I started pushing. I didn't hit a limit or crash at all but I ran out of time last night. I ran some benchmarks at 1529 Core @ 1.274V. I'll keep pushing to find my card's limit this week. I can post my FA0 H20 bios also if anyone wants it. For these tests my CPU was running at a very moderate 4.4GHz OC. I'll tune my CPU when I'm done tuning my GPU.

Here's 3dmark Fire Strike scores
Stock Bios, Stock Speeds
and
H2O Mod Bios, 1529MHz Core

I also completed a few runs of Heavensward at 4k with everything maxed out. GPU Temperature maxed at 45° C during Heavensward tests. CPU maxed at 65° C which is a pretty high but I'm using an older waterblock, might delid it later anyways. T_Sensor1 in the screenshot is water temp sensor. Heavensward Screenshot (Click to show)
EDIT: I forgot to mention: Thank you for all your help, Laithan.

Thanks for the feedback!
Wahoo! You now officially have a G1 on H2O!
That's awesome and nice score too! thumb.gif
My report card haha (Click to show)

Yes please post your BIOS I am sure others would thank you for saving them the time to copy the settings over smile.gif
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The video card has the F4 modded bios that you show me and its working great, but my motherboard had something strange thing going and rolled back to F4 BIOS after i flashed the video card, but tonight it got fixed somehow by itself and got back to F6 Bios.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5481#bios
F4 was default out of box bios for my motherboard.

So everything seems good now and i don't know if it's from the new nvidia drivers update, but temp went lower and now wicher 3 run on like 70-71 degree for a long time on auto fan, which is all i need, you think so?
Edited by NikolayNeykov - 1/28/16 at 2:12pm
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I really don't know Linux so I'm instant n00b. smile.gif

Could I test this with a LiveCD also? Can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks bud
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Yes this is very easy to test. Just need a fairly modern system. All you need to do is download a linux distro, (I used fedora workstation), can use ubuntu, linux mint etc. Then use rufus or similar to create a bootable USB drive using the .iso you downloaded. Make sure you tell rufus to format the drive as gpt for uefi and fat32. Then just set CSM in your bios to disabled. I don't think you need to mess with secure boot if you have it off or on. Then just select the uefi drive and try and boot it. It will most likely get to the point where you have options on what to do. For fedora it asks: boot fedora, test media and boot, or troubleshoot. Just try to boot it and see if it can get to the install screen, don't actually need to install it. Should be a piece of cake for anyone on here as it's the same process as a clean windows install.

I tried this with my g1 and it freezes right after I choose to test media and boot. Tried it with a spare 750ti and it worked. If it freezes for you try setting CSM to auto or enabled and it will most likely work. If you want to make sure all your components are UEFI capable, you can also disable CSM and just boot Windows. Would appreciate if others can try this as well. smile.gif
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