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nice work! just flashed it and ran ffxiv (4K Max settings) on my G1 980Ti with F4 bios at 1586/4000.
benchmark scores and avg fps went up compared to f4 beta h2o bios:

f4 beta h2o:
Score: 6500
Average Frame Rate: 50.035

f4 rc1 h2o:
Score: 6679
Average Frame Rate: 51.528

on the beta bios i saw a LOT of core clock dropping to around 700Mhz on 1586/4000, now there is some slight dropping to 1530 and my gpuz log at 0.1 refresh rate shows power perfcaps while throttling to 1530mhz (i think thats what perfcap 1 is) and a lot of perfcap 16 (i think thats util)

i will attach my log so you can check it out for yourself:
GPU-ZSensorLog.txt 1405k .txt file


Thank you for the feedback. Indeed you hit a PWR perfcap. I would not suspect that because I didn't lower the power. I'm still using the same max power as before. I just played Witcher 3 @ 4k for over 3 hours (since I posted the BIOS') and I can't capture it all on the screen lol (I am using same BIOS of course)


Did it just happen once? Did you reboot after a TDR? Can you make it happen again?

We can increase the power on the BIOS a little more if needed but first I will just run through a few things.
(1) Power % slider needs to be maxxed out to 150 (as well as voltage slider)
(2) What power supply do you have? Single or Multirail?
(3) Do you have dedicated PCI-e cables coming from your power supply (no splitters, adapters, nothing doubled-up)?

Thanks!
Edited by Laithan - 1/30/16 at 10:38pm
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UPDATE!

NEW GIGABYTE GTX 980Ti G1 H2O BIOS


MUMOD Release Candidate #1 (This one is going to be close to final if not final)
H2O_RC1F4_980TiG1.zip 304k .zip file
     Both DD and DP versions included

What's new in this version?
✿► New file naming convention starting with this version to help avoid confusion as we support multiple BIOS' in this thread.
      ▬ Filename Key: H2O_RC1F4_980TiG1
      ▬ GREEN = Cooling type (AIR/H2O)
      ▬ ORANGE = Modified BIOS version
      ▬ RED = Gigabyte BIOS version
      ▬ BLUE = Which GPU the BIOS was developed for

Inside the ZIP file you will find BOTH the DD and DP versions of the F4 MOD BIOS (H2O_RC1F4_DP.ROM and H2O_RC1F4_DD.ROM). You are not required to flash both of them. You only need to flash the one you are using. See the knowledge base in the OP for more information regarding DD vs DP and how to verify which one you are using (very important!).

✿► H2O_RC1F4 is based upon our proven V4BETAF4 and V1BETAH2O BIOS
      ▬ Voltage / Voltage table modifications
      ▬ Maximum voltage has been increased to 1.293v (1.287v in BIOS)

✿► Super Throttle Bug fixed (finally)
      ▬ Turned out to be power related.
             Note: If needed take note to copy the ENTIRE power table especially under the max power section.
             These values now have meaning to a MOD BIOS.
      ▬ Evidence the STB is no more.. I can't throw any harder of a test at my GPU than this!

Right-click and open in a new tab for HI-RES


0.1 second increments finaltestH2O.txt 1508k .txt file


Q.> WHO can flash this BIOS directly?
A.> This is an F4 BIOS. It is compatible with Gigabyte GTX 980Ti G1's with an F3 or F4 BIOS (F0,F1,F2 never released to public).

Q.> Are all Gigabyte GTX 980Ti G1's compatible with the F4 BIOS?
A.> They are ALL compatible with the TWEAKS found in this BIOS but there are different REVISIONS of the G1 cards. For example the first 980Ti G1's shipped with HYNIX memory and use the Fx BIOS'. Later Gigabyte struck a new deal with SAMSUNG and started producing a new REVISION of the same card but just using SAMSUNG memory instead. The SAMSUNG revision GPUs use the F10 BIOS which is the F1x version. You'd need to extract your current BIOS with GPU-z, view it with Maxwell BIOS Tweaker v1.37 to find out exactly what BIOS you have.

To be clear, REGARDLESS if you have an Fx or an F1x revision cards they will BOTH work/perform identically with the BIOS tweaks offered here. smile.gif The difference is just who can flash them directly and who needs to copy over the settings to their own BIOS. It can be confusing but if any questions just ask! smile.gif

Congrats, excellent job! thumb.gifapplaud.gif

specool.gifband.gifspecool.gif

Man, you make me wanna go nuts to get one (sooner or later)
Maybe I should give your 980 v. 1.1 @1.31v bios a try before as well, just to see how far can I bump (max 1600 / 2052 right now, not gaming stable)
And never exceeded the 44º C, ever, what do ya think? thinking.gif
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ill give the new bios a try too, will report back (H2O) smile.gif

well for now it looks like im stable at 1600/4000 (which didnt work with any previous bios for longer than 2minutes 1580 was the highest i could get on core) but ive been benching 1hour straight now, no proplems so far at all thumb.gif
Edited by minsekt - 1/31/16 at 4:31am
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Thanks so much for the updates Laithan!


Been making loads of BIOS experiments lately on my Aircooled Xtreme 980ti!



What i found is this:


1. My card works fine with every modded BIOS i used even the G1 ones!


2. Once a modded bios is used, my card doesn't seem to care about voltage. I tried using you 1.23xv to 1.28x and no matter what i was perfectly stable@ 1570/8000.



What i'm looking to do next:


1. Give a try to your new 1.29x version to see if it makes a difference. (Side note: As i have posted earlier my card does the above freqs on Witcher 3@4K with max temps at 55C)


2. Hell yeah i want a BIOS for the Xtreme without the throttling bug!



If 1.29 doesn't allow for better OC then my target BIOS is described as this:

a. Xtreme aircooled Bios version with lowest possible volts for lower temps maybe 1.23x
b. Throttling bug dead.
c. Maybe maxed out power limits since i've read a few posts earlier that a brother has hit a wall of some kind and it's better to be on the safe side anyway.

Laithan feel free to ask me to assist you in any way or by testing bios versions on my card! thumb.gif

Thanks everybody for this great thread!
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Congrats, excellent job! thumb.gifapplaud.gif

specool.gifband.gifspecool.gif

Man, you make me wanna go nuts to get one (sooner or later)
Maybe I should give your 980 v. 1.1 @1.31v bios a try before as well, just to see how far can I bump (max 1600 / 2052 right now, not gaming stable)
And never exceeded the 44º C, ever, what do ya think? thinking.gif

poke.gif Hee-hee! smile.gif

When I had my 980's, at least for me I didn't see any difference going from 1.281v to 1.312v but a lot of people were asking about 1.312v because of other threads so I posted that for people to try. I really cannot recommend 1.312v but if you had a really low ASIC% the additional voltage might improve overclocking headroom or possibly make 1600Mhz stable but not a good idea for most.

Just so others know, I did test 1.312v with the 980Ti too (yesterday) and the VRMs were not happy with that voltage. I saw some VREL perfcaps which meant it was too much for the VRM to handle. I ended up settling on 1.293v (just one single bin up from 1.281v) so 1.293v may also be something to try with the 980. I can edit it for you if needed.

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Originally Posted by minsekt View Post

ill give the new bios a try too, will report back (H2O) smile.gif

well for now it looks like im stable at 1600/4000 (which didnt work with any previous bios for longer than 2minutes 1580 was the highest i could get on core) but ive been benching 1hour straight now, no proplems so far at all thumb.gif


Thanks for the feedback! biggrin.gif
Please keep us posted!


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Originally Posted by MikeGR7 View Post

Thanks so much for the updates Laithan!


Been making loads of BIOS experiments lately on my Aircooled Xtreme 980ti!



What i found is this:


1. My card works fine with every modded BIOS i used even the G1 ones!


2. Once a modded bios is used, my card doesn't seem to care about voltage. I tried using you 1.23xv to 1.28x and no matter what i was perfectly stable@ 1570/8000.



What i'm looking to do next:


1. Give a try to your new 1.29x version to see if it makes a difference. (Side note: As i have posted earlier my card does the above freqs on Witcher 3@4K with max temps at 55C)


2. Hell yeah i want a BIOS for the Xtreme without the throttling bug!



If 1.29 doesn't allow for better OC then my target BIOS is described as this:

a. Xtreme aircooled Bios version with lowest possible volts for lower temps maybe 1.23x
b. Throttling bug dead.
c. Maybe maxed out power limits since i've read a few posts earlier that a brother has hit a wall of some kind and it's better to be on the safe side anyway.

Laithan feel free to ask me to assist you in any way or by testing bios versions on my card! thumb.gif

Thanks everybody for this great thread!


Ask and you shall receive smile.gif
Thank you for testing also.

I would NOT RECOMMEND running the H2O BIOS VALUES ON AIR! Especially when we just bumped the voltage. It is up to you but the cooler is "100W" better than a standard G1 cooler.. That amounts to (probably) one or two degrees C for extended full GPU loads maybe. AIR is AIR, that's the bottom line. You could have a copper cooler as big as a pumpkin and it is still going to be AIR based heat dissipation.. Still in the AIR class..

I know we all want to push our GPUs even more but remember to do this responsibly

Just as a comparison as you know I am now on H2O. As I type this my idle temps are 26C and my max temps are around 55C (hours of gaming). The max temps I saw on AIR were 85C+ (worst case scenarios). That was with my case open using a custom fan curve and using supplemental fans on my GPUs. 30C is quite a variance. I am typing this just to make sure people understand the risks here.. Pay attention to temps on AIR especially since we cannot easily monitor VRM temps (what seems to be the limiting factor on these GM200 chips).

devil.gif TOO MUCH HEAT CAN KILL YOUR GPU devil.gif


Also just wanted to take a moment and talk about the voltage slider. It does function despite me always telling everyone to keep it maxxed out. tongue.gif

The voltage and power% sliders will always be an option with the BIOS' here, which means a constant reminder to everyone that the voltage and power % sliders need to be maxxed out for overclocking mode (and best performance) however for the advanced people that want to "Fine tune" things, the sliders are available and work. You can technically reduce voltage (if too much voltage feels un-necessary) by using the voltage slider. This is why it has an expanded range (0mV - 100mV) to allow for more granular tuning. When you lower the sliders you will get perfcaps and this is expected because you are "limiting performance" by constraining voltage and/or power to the GPU using the sliders. If the sliders are not maxxed, the perfcaps will show as a result. The MAX voltage for the AIR BIOS is now 1.243v and if less is desired, use the voltage slider. The MAX voltage for the H2O BIOS is 1.293v and if less is desired, use the voltage slider. Again you WILL see perfcaps WHEN you DON'T have BOTH power% and voltage sliders maxxed out so just know that if you lower the sliders and you see perfcaps they were placed there intentionally by lowering the sliders.


I will be posting a Gigabyte EXTREME 980Ti and new WATERFORCE version soon. I didn't forget about our friends with an EXTREME card (new waterforce included) I just haven't got that far yet. thumb.gif
Edited by Laithan - 1/31/16 at 6:53am
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Thank you for the feedback. Indeed you hit a PWR perfcap. I would not suspect that because I didn't lower the power. I'm still using the same max power as before. I just played Witcher 3 @ 4k for over 3 hours (since I posted the BIOS') and I can't capture it all on the screen lol (I am using same BIOS of course)


Did it just happen once? Did you reboot after a TDR? Can you make it happen again?

We can increase the power on the BIOS a little more if needed but first I will just run through a few things.
(1) Power % slider needs to be maxxed out to 150 (as well as voltage slider)
(2) What power supply do you have? Single or Multirail?
(3) Do you have dedicated PCI-e cables coming from your power supply (no splitters, adapters, nothing doubled-up)?

Thanks!

yeah i have everything maxxed in msi ab, no there was no tdr. i flashed the new bios, rebooted and ran ffxiv.
im running two seperate power cables from my bequiet dark power pro 11 850W, i think its a multirail but i could put a jumper on two pins on the back of the psu to turn it into a singlerail.
just reran ffxiv at 1586/4000 and i still see power perfcaps sometimes when i get over 124% power.
attaching the log:
GPU-ZSensorLog.txt 1405k .txt file
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Thank you very much for your reply Laithan.


I understand your warning for using the H20 BIOS on an aircooled card as this is a global warning and does apply in a lot of users with varying degrees of experience.


(Talking between us though i must give you some more details: The Xtreme's cooler is NOT the "100W" better the numbers suggest than G1's cooler!

i had a G1 980ti with a custom BIOS and i assure you that the difference between them is closer to 15C under load. Both my current Xtreme and my
old G1 have the same 72.8% Asic but the Xtreme enjoys a full 100Mhz better core OC!

My G1 was max @1481/7600 and up to 67C with the fans 100%.

My Xtreme goes at a massive 1570-1590/8000 only up to 55C with the fans 100%.

Now that 55C is water territory and maybe is part of the reason the Xtreme OCs better. Using your old H2O BIOS the card barely broke 60C under Hours of heavy load.


PERSONAL Conclusion is this:
I feel pretty safe to test your new H2O BIOS with my PARTICULAR XTREME card, even though based on my earlier findings it won't do much for further OC.)
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Now that 55C is water territory

rolleyes.gif

Water territory is under 45c under the heaviest load UNLESS you're using a 120 radiator in a hot box.

My card hit 40c today and it's warm in here now ..... I should open a window.

Example ...... my 100% air cooled box in the geeeerage will run at 20c under a heavy load when the door is cracked and it's in the mid 20's F where this box will around 3-5c in the same conditions. So reality is water territory temps are another 15c less than you mentioned...... of course EVERYTHING is variable and dependent on ambients. wink.gifthumb.gif

SS
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Water territory is under 45c under the heaviest load UNLESS you're using a 120 radiator in a hot box.

My card hit 40c today and it's warm in here now ..... I should open a window.

Example ...... my 100% air cooled box in the geeeerage will run at 20c under a heavy load when the door is cracked and it's in the mid 20's F where this box will around 3-5c in the same conditions. So reality is water territory temps are another 15c less than you mentioned...... of course EVERYTHING is variable and dependent on ambients. wink.gifthumb.gif

SS

so my 980ti hitting 50C (ambient was 24C, water temp was 38C) after 2 hours of gaming at 1440p with my core at 1566mhz and memory at 3750mhz is bad? on idle my card temp is always equal to my water temp (26C) and on load, card temp is around 10-12C higher than water temp. i also have a 6700k and vrm monoblock with a 240 and 360 rad with corsair sp120 quiet edition fans.
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Playing wicher 3 for hours on the default clocks on V4BETAF4 (1455Mhz) and max temp are 76 degree which is enough for me, so i better not update to any other bioses?
Btw i think i sow screen flicker 2-3 times when i lost picture for a ms in game and when loading windows flickes, anyone else experience that with V4BETAF4?
Also want to report another bug, i don't know why my dota 2 crash every time i start it after 4-5 sec and as well do flicking with starting. /edit: i think i find the problem is when i turn on riva tuner on screen display support or when its on by default.
Otherwise it's really good because i don't hit perf caps.
Edited by NikolayNeykov - 1/31/16 at 12:28pm
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