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Busy day I see, I've got some homework tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Conroe81 View Post

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I inform gigabyte immediatlely
This is my configuration in detail

HDMI ----> PANASONIC TX-P42ST30
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PC GAME - DVI->SAMSUNG 2770H
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DP TO DVI ADAPTER-DVI TO HDMI CABLE-HDMI SPLITTER-ASUS P2E PROIECTOR


HDMI ----> PANASONIC TX-P42ST30
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SERVER - VGA---->SAMSUNG 2770H
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DVI TO HDMI CABLE-HDMI SPLITTER-ASUS P2E PROIECTOR

I have this configuration instead of direct cable because all cables are fixed near the wall (i hate cable management but looks good). GTX 980 has 3 DP - 1HDMI - 1 DVI looking the back of the gpu i've used the last 3 connectors
I've read somewhere wich this gpu has two bios each controlling 4 ports at a time maybe i connected the wrong ports ? Now i do some tests so i could help someone having the same issue and see what gigabyte says. Thanks bye wave2.gif

Thanks. OK so your Samsung is your main monitor. If when you only have a single display connected and you do NOT have the problem anymore, what is that configuration? Is that the Samsung monitor via DVI and nothing else is connected?

At what point does the problem occur again? Only when you plug BOTH the projector and TV back in or just one of them?

You have the extreme 980 so the dual-BIOS and monitor output ports are different than a G1. There are actually less ports on the 980 extreme, There is also a physical switch for each BIOS instead of the G1's auto-detection (I prefer a switch). One BIOS is for regular use and the other for LN2 on an extreme card (so the 2nd BIOS isn't for monitor flex options anymore). On the G1's there are some ports that are not active depending on which BIOS is being used. For the extreme card I think all ports are active at all times.. so I don't think it is even possible to connect the monitors the "wrong way". I think we can easily rule that out.


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Originally Posted by gabriel21st View Post

Some in-depth info in this thread, thanks to all contributors. I had a bit of time today to start messing around with some of these BIOS's.

I have a 980 Ti WindForce with a Kraken G10/Corsair H70 mounted on it. Flashed the 980 Ti Extreme Waterforce BIOS you have posted in the OP (1506 core/3601 mem) and it ran perfectly on Heaven benchmark (max settings @ 1080p). I think the highest temp I saw after a little while was 61 C.

I decided to push the clock sliders up to +80 core and +400 memory, which gave me 1585 MHz core and 4001 MHz memory clocks.
Running Heaven again for a few cycles was completely stable with no artifacts... but after the second cycle or so the core clock throttled. Every few minutes or so afterwards, it would un-throttle and then throttle down again to around 1460 MHz. The core temp was highest at 68 C, which is fine by me but I guess the card's not ok with it.

I'll attach a screenshot of Afterburner while I was running Heaven, note that I took it a second after I minimized so the core temp and power usage dropped a tiny bit during that time.

Is there anything I can change in the BIOS to prevent it from throttling? I see no reason for it to do so since core temps are fine. Unless the card has the ability to throttle due to high VRM temps or something... I did put heatsinks on them and have a Arctic F9 PWM fan blowing at 100% over them, but no way to know how hot VRMs are running.



Did you say you have a Windforce O/C GPU and you flashed the Waterforce GPU BIOS on to it? That could have bricked you. You're going to want to use the BIOS that is specific to YOUR GPU. You can flash the BIOS' posted directly only if you have the same GPU model AND revision (determined by the Gigabyte BIOS naming convention). All others must open up their BIOS and the posted BIOS and copy over ALL settings (triple check). This puts the same tweaks in place but on the BIOS specific to your GPU.

Ignore any results right now.. First we need to get you the correct BIOS and then test again to see behavior. Also voltage and power % sliders need to be maxxed out for overclocking and stop all throttling. Can you please upload your ORIGINAL STOCK BIOS here for me to inspect?


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Originally Posted by EarlZ View Post

How are we on the F10 DD bios modding biggrin.gif

LATE!!
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Here is some GTX 980Ti G1 F10 love
AIR_RC2F10_980TiG1.zip 293k .zip file
H2O_RC2F10_980TiG1.zip 293k .zip file

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Originally Posted by GeraltOfRivia View Post

Oh I see... This is because the bios operate itself an overclock increasing voltage, isn't it?
If there would be problems, how could I turn back the situation? Flashing again with the standard bios? In that case, where I find it?

Thanks again for your help! smile.gif

Geralt

It's good to be cautious! The MODs here are not extreme however there is always risk but don't worry everything is easily "un-doable" and can go right back to STOCK if you wanted (who even does that?!? biggrin.gif ). Have to have a disclaimer tongue.gif. Yes the BIOS MOD is "Forum overclocked" (get it, as opposed to "Factory overclocked"... cummon people laugh.. (sigh) redface.gif ) so the DEFAULT speeds will be:
1291Mhz core (unless you have adaptive power management enabled then it drops waaay down)
1445Mhz BOOST (AIR BIOS)
1506Mhz BOOST (H2O BIOS)

without any additional overclocking and the sliders are set like THIS:


Your biggest concern is getting the correct BIOS for your GPU and knowing the difference between DD and DP (see the OP).

Any questions just ask!


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Originally Posted by Halseluk View Post

Greetings,

I have a 970 G1, Elpida, bios F60. Will this modded bios work with my card?


YES! You will HAVE to extract your own BIOS from your GPU with GPU-z first, make a copy of it and open it with maxwell BIOS tweaker v1.36. Then open a 2nd copy of Maxwell BIOS tweaker and open the BIOS in the OP. Copy ALL settings 100% identically over to the copy of YOUR BIOS, triple check (even one small mistake could alter the GPU behavior) and save. Now you have a F60 version of MUMOD. Enjoy tongue.gif

Any questions just ask!



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Originally Posted by xtremesystems View Post

Could enyone help me with gigabyte gtx 980Ti Wf3OC?

I have samsung mems , they are preety good.



the problem is vcore.

with ocguru or afterburner i can only increase v to 1,22 ( an it switches between 1,2 -1,22)

i succesfuly modded vtable for gtx970 so i have same knowledge

the power limit is only 260W (its 104%) . 250 is base power limit


what should i do to icrease voltages?
i think first step should be increasing power limit. Should i tweak sth more?


YES! The MOD here for the G1 is compatible with a WF3OC!
You can flash the G1 BIOS and not only MOD it but turn it into a G1 at the same time smile.gif.
They have identical PCBs. Ask NikolayNeykov he also has a WF3OC... well he used to, now he has a G1 with a WF3 cooler tongue.gif

Post your BIOS and we can tell you which G1 BIOS is compatible with your card.
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Originally Posted by jrgray93 View Post

I was messing around at work today and discovered a new ghetto cooling method for the back plate.

A lot of you probably have an Intel stock cooler sitting around somewhere. Why not make use of it?

I simply cut off the bottoms of the pegs, allowing me to remove them from the plastic mount, then pulled the heat sink off.

I used rolled electrical tape to mount it in this picture. Should be an easy mounting option if it is in a standard case. Any non-standard GPU orientations might want something a little more solid to hold it on.

This option probably won't get a whole lot of air through the holes and under the plate, but it should provide a good amount over a larger portion of the plate. Pretty much any kind of airflow helps a lot.




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Originally Posted by mahanddeem View Post

Nice idea. I have 3 useless intel stock fans around and that would be a good new home for them.
On another note, regarding vrm and vram temp usually much concern about their temp and the possibility of them to overheat, I admit it's a valid concern because in most graphics cards they dont have temp sensors on them. I have 2 gpus that are MSI Lightning, one 580 and one 680(still use the 680 in my secondary pc which I'm oc'ing it to death, 1375 core,250mhz over reference , 7100 vram, 1100 mhz over reference vram). These cards have vrm and vram temp sensors, both are consistently around 10c cooler than gpu core (like 71c core, 58c vram and 61c vrm temp, full gpu load intensive gaming), I know we're talking here about different gpu and different architecture but keep in mind Kepler has higher stock TDP and consumes more power generally(at least compared to 980 and 970) and still its vrm and vram temp are not that uberly hotter(if at all) than gpu core when oc'ed.


Yup.. things changed with GM200. This GPU has a huge die and the VRMs are working overtime. Cookieboyeli (did he get lost again...) reported VRM temps of 100C if I am not mistaken. He'd have to clarify. I haven't measured the temps personally (I can't I have water blocks) however I proved it another way. As a test when I ordered my water blocks I figured I would find my MAXIMUM stable overclock in a few common benchies, all at 4K max settings to generate the most GPU workload possible. I ran each test 3x to capture variances and then averaged everything out.

The max temps are logged as well. The GPU itself was never overheating

Then my waterblocks came in. I installed them.
Using the SAME BIOS (so the same voltage, power, tweaks, etc) I now repeated all of the same tests.

The results are considerably different... same voltage applied to the GPU and all of a sudden I am able to overclock much higher. I realize of course the GPU was running cooler... however when it was on AIR the max temps were all well below the max temp of 91C.. the GPU just wasn't overheating... it was something else..

So with the water block installed now there are only 3 things that are directly cooled by the block.. (1) GPU (2) Memory (3) VRMs. Since the GPU wasn't overheating..and the memory wasn't overheating.. it must have been the VRMs holding me back. Now that the block is cooling the VRMs the heat limitation is extended out a bit further. smile.gif

Check this out! tongue.gif

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After I flashed the H2O BIOS and increased voltage I was able to overclock even further.
post #3732 of 7493
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Got BIOS? lol

This is just the 980Ti G1 variants between F4 and F10 with both AIR and H2O versions. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

Did you say you have a Windforce O/C GPU and you flashed the Waterforce GPU BIOS on to it? That could have bricked you. You're going to want to use the BIOS that is specific to YOUR GPU. You can flash the BIOS' posted directly only if you have the same GPU model AND revision (determined by the Gigabyte BIOS naming convention). All others must open up their BIOS and the posted BIOS and copy over ALL settings (triple check). This puts the same tweaks in place but on the BIOS specific to your GPU.

Ignore any results right now.. First we need to get you the correct BIOS and then test again to see behavior. Also voltage and power % sliders need to be maxxed out for overclocking and stop all throttling. Can you please upload your ORIGINAL STOCK BIOS here for me to inspect?
Thanks for the response, I've attached my stock BIOS.

I would not have flashed "mismatched" BIOS if I thought it would do harm. In other words I intuitively believe that I can't brick my card flashing a GIGABYTE 980 Ti BIOS to a GIGABYTE 980 Ti card, regardless of what variation of the 980 Ti it is. In the end they are all 980 Ti's by GIGABYTE. The real differences in the BIOS then are clock/power/voltage settings, which you have configured to be the same in both the G1's H2O and Extreme Waterforce's BIOS.
This can be supported by the similarity in the BIOS version numbers, my WindForce stock is 84.00.41.00.3A and the Waterforce is 84.00.41.00.67.

Check my screenshot of Afterburner in my other post, it shows that I do have power and voltage sliders set to max. I also mentioned that before adding a clock/mem offset the OC was stable (and didn't throttle) using the Waterforce BIOS. smile.gif

84.00.41.00.3A_980Ti-WindForce-stock 146k .zip file
Edited by gabriel21st - 2/24/16 at 3:42pm
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Thanks for the response, I've attached my stock BIOS.

I would not have flashed "mismatched" BIOS if I thought it would do harm. In other words I intuitively believe that I can't brick my card flashing a GIGABYTE 980 Ti BIOS to a GIGABYTE 980 Ti card, regardless of what variation of the 980 Ti it is. In the end they are all 980 Ti's by GIGABYTE. The real differences in the BIOS then are clock/power/voltage settings, which you have configured to be the same in both the G1's H2O and Extreme Waterforce's BIOS.
This can be supported by the similarity in the BIOS version numbers, my WindForce stock is 84.00.41.00.3A and the Waterforce is 84.00.41.00.67.

Check my screenshot of Afterburner in my other post, it shows that I do have power and voltage sliders set to max. I also mentioned that before adding a clock/mem offset the OC was stable (and didn't throttle) using the Waterforce BIOS. smile.gif

84.00.41.00.3A_980Ti-WindForce-stock 146k .zip file


I'm not saying you're wrong just that it is a risk and some have bricked their GPU by flashing the wrong BIOS (but the same chip) I've helped quite a few un-brick them. I'll blab a little about it smile.gif

I do know what you're saying and you are correct that there are NOT a LOT of differences from BIOS to BIOS of the same GM200 chip but there are some and they are actually worth noting. Some caveats you might want to be aware of with Gigabyte 980Tis. There are variances within each BIOS that account for things like PCB design, voltage controller, power delivery and brand of memory used (which could run at different timings, voltage and/or latency). I looked at your original BIOS and the one good thing is that you have Samsung memory and so does the waterforce smile.gif So the memory timings, voltage and latency are probably identical at least. wink.gif

For example: G1 980Tis are 8+2 phase designs.. Waterforce 980Ti is a 12+2 phase design because it is based on the new extreme PCBs. Are there direct relationships to those PCB designs and the BIOS used, absolutely... Will they be drastically different, probably not.. will they work? Sometimes they will smile.gif Will you have any problems later? WHO KNOWS smile.gif Technically you have a NCP81174 voltage controller on your GPU and the waterforce has a higher end uP1983A voltage controller. We know at a bare minimum memory parameters can change. The only reason we have an F4 and an F10 BIOS is because memory brands changed. Everything else is identical and with a different PCB design I'd put my money on there being other changes for that new design not just the memory.

To be honest you may never have any trouble.. it's just not 'correct' and there's no reason to run an 'incorrect' BIOS because there's no advantage other than introducing potential stability issues and/or other problems without value to that risk.


This is actually the correct BIOS for your card. smile.gif
H2O_RC2F10_980TiG1.zip 293k .zip file
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Thanks for the blabbing, always like to learn new things.
I'll try out the BIOS you attached and see if anything changes.
Is this not posted in the OP? I didn't see this RC2 F10 BIOS anywhere. Or maybe I'm just blind (eyeglasses prescription is pretty bad)
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I pretty much like this mod bioses, was wondering can it use my default WF3OC fan settings since i don't have much heat coming GM200.zip 151k .zip file
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Originally Posted by gabriel21st View Post

Thanks for the blabbing, always like to learn new things.
I'll try out the BIOS you attached and see if anything changes.
Is this not posted in the OP? I didn't see this RC2 F10 BIOS anywhere. Or maybe I'm just blind (eyeglasses prescription is pretty bad)

You've gotta be a forum crawler to get RC2 biggrin.gif


It's actually identical to the one in the OP except RC2 has slightly more power. It's pretty much ready to stamp "MUMOD" on it now. Will be updating the OP soon biggrin.gif


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Originally Posted by NikolayNeykov View Post

I pretty much like this mod bioses, was wondering can it use my default WF3OC fan settings since i don't have much heat coming GM200.zip 151k .zip file

No need to mod a BIOS for the fan settings unless the RPMs were limited in some way. Just use a custom fan curve and you can set it any way you want as it overrides the BIOS fan values biggrin.gif
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Laithan or anyone can you please help me exceed 1.2120v modding an MSI 680gtx Lightning vBIOS?
No matter how I tweak this unlocked LN2 680 Lightning vBIOS(using KBT), it does not exceed 1.2120v and I need 1.265v for stability. MSI AB is capable to go as high as 1.295v. you know me I hate relying on software o/c.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by mahanddeem View Post

Laithan or anyone can you please help me exceed 1.2120v modding an MSI 680gtx Lightning vBIOS?
No matter how I tweak this unlocked LN2 680 Lightning vBIOS, it does not exceed 1.2120v and I need 1.265v for stability. MSI AB is capable to go as high as 1.295v. you know me I hate relying on software o/c.
Thanks


I'm 680 lightning stupid but I remember someone saying that you can access the extended voltage/aux and memory voltages through the settings of MSI AB and enabling the extended voltage setting.

Good luck!
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Thanks. Msi afterburner works flawlessly in ocing my card. As I mentioned core voltage in msi ab can be raised to 1.295 without any hacks or problems
What I want is vBIOS mod and ditch msi ab all toghther.
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