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post #431 of 7284
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

Yup! You got it smile.gif

So here's the first test with the custom BIOS:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7034019?

I should have the same test with my card's stock BIOS somewhere...let's see...

EDIT: well I'll be f****... this is the worst score I got so far :/ It's the lowest I have on my 3DMark page. Something's wrong... among those tests I have one that I've performed under stock BIOS so.... Anyway I'm now trying with the memory clock at 8000 MHz.

EDIT2: Gosh... driver crashed after the first test.
Hey is it normal that during the first test in Firestrike, at the final part of the test (where the "fire monster" is about to die) the clock and voltage drop? The core clock drops from 1405 MHz to 1392 and the voltage from 1.218 to 1.193.... This happened with the overclocked memory but I recall seeing it under "stock" V7 BIOS's values as well.
Edited by Obyboby - 5/20/15 at 11:49am
post #432 of 7284
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obyboby View Post

So here's the first test with the custom BIOS:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7034019?

I should have the same test with my card's stock BIOS somewhere...let's see...

EDIT: well I'll be f****... this is the worst score I got so far :/ It's the lowest I have on my 3DMark page. Something's wrong... among those tests I have one that I've performed under stock BIOS so.... Anyway I'm now trying with the memory clock at 8000 MHz.

EDIT2: Gosh... driver crashed after the first test.
Hey is it normal that during the first test in Firestrike, at the final part of the test (where the "fire monster" is about to die) the clock and voltage drop? The core clock drops from 1405 MHz to 1392 and the voltage from 1.218 to 1.193.... This happened with the overclocked memory but I recall seeing it under "stock" V7 BIOS's values as well.


I have no idea what you do each time to end up where you are. Please, use the BIOS values provided with regard to results posted in this thread. It sounds like you had them correctly when you were getting 1531Mhz a couple posts ago but I can't tell. This BIOS clearly does not perform under stock.

As I offered to you in the past, many times, if you need help with something send me a PM and I'll be happy to help.

Thanks!
Edited by Laithan - 5/20/15 at 6:28pm
post #433 of 7284
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

I have no idea what you do each time to end up where you are. Please, use the BIOS values provided with regard to results posted in this thread. It sounds like you had them correctly when you were getting 1531Mhz a couple posts ago but I can't tell. This BIOS clearly does not perform under stock.

As I offered to you in the past, many times, if you need help with something send me a PM and I'll be happy to help.

Thanks!

Yeah man, I know you are here to help me and appreciate that smile.gif I just had lost interest in OCing my card for a while (bought a new car tongue.gif ) hence why I haven't posted lately. But now I was curious to try this BIOS again so here I am.

So let's go back to the stock values. No OCing through Afterburner. Card goes to 1405 MHz at 1.218v. First step? Max out voltage and power. Result: 1531 MHz at 1.275v (reported, I am aware that it is probably higher, 1.281). What now? Well 1531 MHz seems enough to me as the card can't handle much more than that (got lots of artifacts in some quick tests I've made with 1557 MHz / 8000 MHz).
So maybe I could just stick to 1531/8000 @ 1.275v (1.281v) and see how it goes?
post #434 of 7284
Damnit, Project cars and witcher 3 doesn't like overclocking frown.gif

guess i will have to go back to Stock Memory clock and 1531

From 1531/2000
post #435 of 7284
Played Witcher 3 for several hours at 1506 Core an 1900 Memory. Not every card does overclock as good as other ones. Can't get mine stable above 1506 Core. You can try to lower your core and memory a bit manuel for testing and then you can find you max stable oc. This bios here is set to 1531 but this doesn't mean that every G1 Gaming can handle that clock.
post #436 of 7284
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Originally Posted by Obyboby View Post

Yeah man, I know you are here to help me and appreciate that smile.gif I just had lost interest in OCing my card for a while (bought a new car tongue.gif ) hence why I haven't posted lately. But now I was curious to try this BIOS again so here I am.

So let's go back to the stock values. No OCing through Afterburner. Card goes to 1405 MHz at 1.218v. First step? Max out voltage and power. Result: 1531 MHz at 1.275v (reported, I am aware that it is probably higher, 1.281). What now? Well 1531 MHz seems enough to me as the card can't handle much more than that (got lots of artifacts in some quick tests I've made with 1557 MHz / 8000 MHz).
So maybe I could just stick to 1531/8000 @ 1.275v (1.281v) and see how it goes?

Yes sir, that's exactly how I would proceed. Keep things like that for a while and see if stable. You should be getting 1531Mhz boost and 1.283v (like you said, only shows 1.275 max).

If you choose to further overclock (1531Mhz boost is already very good smile.gif), overclock either your GPU or MEMORY, one at a time. Expect problems when you overclock, this is the nature of the beast! smile.gif We are pushing our hardware as far as it can go and that limit, since it is NOT the same for everyone, is identified through testing and experimentation. thumb.gif

GPU - Add only +10Mhz at a time. Test for hours before validating as "stable". If you have issues, go back -10Mhz, repeat. This takes hours.

MEMORY - Add only +50 Mhz at a time. Test for hours before validating as "stable".

Your MAX GPU and your MAX MEMORY speeds may NOT be stable when used together at the same time. This BIOS has tweaks to help prevent this (usually caused by lack of power) but could still be the case so always document each change you make to know exactly what is different from the last change.

Please keep in mind that the default BIOS values for the GPU are significantly overclocked already. Keeping the GPU at +0Mhz in an overclocking program may give the illusion that you aren't overclocking but you still are. The memory values are left @ stock 3505.

As you will see with my next reply below, you MAY even have to use a negative value to downclock if your GPU cannot handle 1531Mhz.

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Originally Posted by chef1702 View Post

Played Witcher 3 for several hours at 1506 Core an 1900 Memory. Not every card does overclock as good as other ones. Can't get mine stable above 1506 Core. You can try to lower your core and memory a bit manuel for testing and then you can find you max stable oc. This bios here is set to 1531 but this doesn't mean that every G1 Gaming can handle that clock.


Hi there thanks for the feedback, yes you are correct that not every card will handle this BIOS. It is a good point to bring up because there are different designs out there of PCBs and even those that don't have G1's have been using these BIOS values to gain the benefits we've reverse engineered. Some cards are VRM limited to 1.21v and editing the BIOS won't get past that limit. Like you mentioned, even if you DO have a Gigabyte G1 Gaming there is no guarantee the overclock will be stable @ the default of 1531Mhz boost.

I chose 1531Mhz boost for the default overclock because it seemed that the majority of the folks out there with a G1 were able to get around 1550ish. You are actually the first person that has reported the inability to be stable at 1531Mhz using a Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 980 (assuming that's your card). That's too bad however 1506 and 1531 might be 1fps..if that. so you aren't missing much smile.gif . What is your ASIC?

If anyone runs into issues with the default BOOST not being stable, you can always use the slider to back down the overclock. It does accept negative values wink.gif. This can help find your max stable overclock without having to re-flash the BIOS with a lower base clock and then your BIOS could be customized further if needed.




Another point to bring up is that we may ALL have to re-evaluate what our "Game stable overclock" is, even if we've made no changes and previously have identified our stable overclock.

The reason is simple.. evolution..

AAA games like GTA V and Witcher 3 are pushing hardware like never before! We didn't have games this pushing our overclocked GPUs this much before. In addition, we are now in the 4K era. More and more people are getting and/or testing @ 4K resolution, which is DOUBLING GPU workload at a minimum. Just some good things to keep in mind, especially when NVIDIA has been releasing buggy drivers lately frown.gif

Also, warmer weather is here! Higher ambient temps = higher GPU temps (AIR or WATER).

Edited by Laithan - 5/21/15 at 6:30am
post #437 of 7284
Thread Starter 
░▒▓│ ┌(ô益ô)┐ Iñƒσ ┌(ô益ô)┐ │▓▒░

» I've been playing a bit too much GTA V (in 3D) lately tongue.gif but I wanted to give everyone an update as to what I have planned going forward for this thread.

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I am looking to finalize this BIOS for the Gigabyte GTX 980 G1. This includes a full feature description of the various tweaks, why they were done and what to expect from them. I also expect to test and release a 970 version of this BIOS. I already have a working version. I will clean up and update the OP. This will give us 2 baseline versions to accommodate the power table differences, and much easier to use as a reference. I am just being patient and testing more before I finalize.

I plan to post "Specialty" versions of the 980 BIOS. One version will be a 1312mV for those that want to push the voltage even further and another version that doesn't require the use of an overclocking program to basically just max out the voltage and power % sliders for you in advance via the BIOS. These will not be considered the "baseline BIOS" but rather experimental / optional references based on the baseline version.

Helping non-Gigabyte owners. Using the 980 release as the baseline, we've proven these settings work very well on many other MAXWELL based cards (970/980/TitanX) that do not have VRM caps. I am starting to get a pretty good feel for which cards will work with this BIOS and which will not. We have even had success with REFERENCE cards. We can start to track our successes and failures, so that when people come here looking for information as to whether or not particular settings may or may not work FOR THEIR CARD, if we've got the feedback from the testing, we'll post it wink.gif

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The quest for performance! thumb.gif

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Keep the feedback coming and if you have any questions or need assistance, please PM me (no question is a dumb question if you don't know the answer).
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post #438 of 7284
ASIC is 66. Its really bad. The card doesn't went up over 65°, complete watercooling upgrade is planned for summer wenn Skylake launches, which will lower the temp. to 45° - 50°. I got it through 3D Mark with 1540 sort of, and 2050 memory many times, but I don't like to have crashes in games like Project Cars while multiplayer racing or on a heist in GTA Online. The gap between 1540 and 1500 is that little. The main thing is, that its stable.

But yes I'm a bit disapointed about the G1 Gaming card. Gigabyte gives that much promisses on their side with better voltage control, more phases, GPU Gauntlet... and then the card has that low ASIC. In the end its dalliance to find the max OC but its fun and when you buy such a "overpowered" card you expect a bit more as every standard 2 x 6 Pin card can handle. But thats life. Maybe i have more luck with the next card smile.gif
Edited by chef1702 - 5/21/15 at 9:47am
post #439 of 7284
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

Yes sir, that's exactly how I would proceed. Keep things like that for a while and see if stable. You should be getting 1531Mhz boost and 1.283v (like you said, only shows 1.275 max).

If you choose to further overclock (1531Mhz boost is already very good smile.gif), overclock either your GPU or MEMORY, one at a time. Expect problems when you overclock, this is the nature of the beast! smile.gif We are pushing our hardware as far as it can go and that limit, since it is NOT the same for everyone, is identified through testing and experimentation. thumb.gif

GPU - Add only +10Mhz at a time. Test for hours before validating as "stable". If you have issues, go back -10Mhz, repeat. This takes hours.

MEMORY - Add only +50 Mhz at a time. Test for hours before validating as "stable".

Your MAX GPU and your MAX MEMORY speeds may NOT be stable when used together at the same time. This BIOS has tweaks to help prevent this (usually caused by lack of power) but could still be the case so always document each change you make to know exactly what is different from the last change.

Please keep in mind that the default BIOS values for the GPU are significantly overclocked already. Keeping the GPU at +0Mhz in an overclocking program may give the illusion that you aren't overclocking but you still are. The memory values are left @ stock 3505.

As you will see with my next reply below, you MAY even have to use a negative value to downclock if your GPU cannot handle 1531Mhz.

You're the best! I got everything now. smile.gif I'm just going to break the "small step" overclock thingy a bit and start off at 2000 for my memory clock and then test. It's not gonna hurt tongue.gif that's just because I used to run my card at those values and it SEEMED stable. I will soon find out if this is true for the newest games as well smile.gif

I'm glad I tried your BIOS and followed this thread. You are putting so much work in this, very well done man! Good on ya biggrin.gif Thank you!
post #440 of 7284
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

░▒▓│ ┌(ô益ô)┐ Iñƒσ ┌(ô益ô)┐ │▓▒░

» I've been playing a bit too much GTA V (in 3D) lately tongue.gif but I wanted to give everyone an update as to what I have planned going forward for this thread.

══════════════════

I am looking to finalize this BIOS for the Gigabyte GTX 980 G1. This includes a full feature description of the various tweaks, why they were done and what to expect from them. I also expect to test and release a 970 version of this BIOS. I already have a working version. I will clean up and update the OP. This will give us 2 baseline versions to accommodate the power table differences, and much easier to use as a reference. I am just being patient and testing more before I finalize.

I plan to post "Specialty" versions of the 980 BIOS. One version will be a 1312mV for those that want to push the voltage even further and another version that doesn't require the use of an overclocking program to basically just max out the voltage and power % sliders for you in advance via the BIOS. These will not be considered the "baseline BIOS" but rather experimental / optional references based on the baseline version.

Helping non-Gigabyte owners. Using the 980 release as the baseline, we've proven these settings work very well on many other MAXWELL based cards (970/980/TitanX) that do not have VRM caps. I am starting to get a pretty good feel for which cards will work with this BIOS and which will not. We have even had success with REFERENCE cards. We can start to track our successes and failures, so that when people come here looking for information as to whether or not particular settings may or may not work FOR THEIR CARD, if we've got the feedback from the testing, we'll post it wink.gif

══════════════════

ᕙ༼◕ل͜◕༽ᕗ
The quest for performance! thumb.gif

══════════════════

Keep the feedback coming and if you have any questions or need assistance, please PM me (no question is a dumb question if you don't know the answer).
wave2.gif        guitar.gif


Great news! Wanted to thank you again for all of the time and work you have put into this so far!
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