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I went ahead and tried to overclock finally. Maxed out power % and voltage. When I got to a certain point my clocks just dropped down to 540, and now I can't get my core above that number.
Any ideas? I attached log.

I was running Komboster btw.


HardwareMonitoring.zip 13k .zip file

jeah its a safety feature, your driver restarted itself after failing. Rebooting should fix that.


I think I read NOT to use Kombuster for Testing , it can pull too much power , with this Bios , Laithan will no doubt post later and confirm

FFXIV_Heaven is what I think he Benches/tests with.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/download/
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Yep switched to Heaven/FFXIV now.
Found a stable clock in Heaven but crashed when running FFXIV. Will do more testing tomorrow.

4K, as Laitan recommends, doesn't seem to work in Heaven though, when I tried same resolution in FFXIV it was HUGE in comparison.
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Originally Posted by ObscureScience View Post

Here's a closer look at the new G1

Skip to 3:45sec mark says it all.. how predictable. You can stop watching at 6:28...

What I think... (Click to show)




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Greetings, people!

It's been a while since I flashed MUMOD to my 970 G1. Maxed 1581/8614, stable in most games.

I have a doubt: does the +100mV in MSI Afterburner damage the card? Is there a confirmation about it?

There's a 1.312V version of this mod, right? Would it damage the GPU in some way?


Hi there. A valid question.

The voltage slider being at +100 means nothing in terms of risk.. it's just cosmetic and allows for more granular tuning for specific (uncommon) needs. I could configure the BIOS for +50mv maximum and have it actually be sending the same amount of voltage to the GPU. Whatever voltage is defined in the BIOS as the max voltage is ONLY available when the slider is all the way up.. sort of like how an engine has to be given full throttle to perform the best.

v1.1 of the 970 MUMOD is set for 1.281v @ max voltage. The most you will ever see in software is 1.275v (this is a well known limitation, it's 1.274v for GM200) however you are really getting 1.281v. This is really what is important to know not the slider number.

At this voltage is there a risk? YES.. there is always a risk..I'm never going to say there's no risk, we all take risks even when overclocking a STOCK BIOS...but it's a very calculated and tested one. I can't say there is no risk because someone COULD technically do something stupid like leaving a hot room with a looping benchmark that just dumps more and more heat into the room, raising ambient temps and creating a thermal overload condition... overheating the GPU is definitely possible you don't ever wan to exceed 85C (91C is the max says NVIDIA so the recommendation is slightly "conservative"). We don't want anyone to damage their GPU (and nobody ever has wink.gif ).

In my opinion, and this goes for both GM204 and GM200, is that as long as you remain UNDER 1.3v and you manage your temps properly, you'll never have a problem unless you power supply is underpowered or your PCI-e connectors are doubled up/splitters used. wink.gifEDIT: I am saying this in reference to GM204 970/980 only. GM200 is more complicated)

I did have a 1.312v BIOS posted for the 970/980 a while ago but it's been removed. It was requested but I don't think we've ever proved that going BEYOND 1.281v provides ANY overclocking benefit on AIR or H2O simply because the VRMs cannot handle that much voltage. I've seen it appear to work just fine for a while and if you monitor the GPU long enough you may see signs of the VRMs dropping clocks significantly.. This is not throttling, this is activation of self-protection mechanisms. I wouldn't go there TBH no matter how much further you want to push your GPU..

If you are already using 1.281v on your GPU (MUMOD v1.1 which is for BOTH AIR and H2O) then I'm pretty sure that you aren't going to get anything more out of it. Cooling the GPU, memory and VRMs is all you can do to improve things now as you're already at the max "safe" (no guarantees ever) potential at the BIOS level. biggrin.gif


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I think I read NOT to use Kombuster for Testing , it can pull too much power , with this Bios , Laithan will no doubt post later and confirm

FFXIV_Heaven is what I think he Benches/tests with.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/download/

Correct it just beats the snot out of your GPU and Power Supply with complete unrealistic power levels that no game or legit app would ever draw. It's a power virus. IMO it's good for only 2 things (1) Testing your PSU / Measuring for max power draw (2) Testing extreme and unrealistic temps. The worst thing you could use it for is a benchmark unless you only care about irrelevant synthetic tests that loop. No clue why it's marketed that way.

FFXIV is one of the best FREE GPU overclock verification tests you can find. If you set it to the MAXIMUM preset and run it @ 4K, prepare to bring your GPU to it's knees.. WATCH TEMPS (OSD recommended!) because this test specifically will bring a GPU over 85C easily if cooling is not sufficient.




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Yep switched to Heaven/FFXIV now.
Found a stable clock in Heaven but crashed when running FFXIV. Will do more testing tomorrow.

4K, as Laitan recommends, doesn't seem to work in Heaven though, when I tried same resolution in FFXIV it was HUGE in comparison.

FFXIV will beat your GPU a bit more than Unigine Heaven and more than Firestrike Ultra also smile.gif.
Pass FFXIV 3 times in a row without issue at those extreme settings and I would certify it as game stable. There ARE better tests but they aren't free.
Edited by Laithan - 6/9/16 at 6:26pm
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http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-1080-and-1070-3-Way-and-4-Way-SLI-will-not-be-enabled-games


"With the GeForce 10-series we’re investing heavily in 2-way SLI with our new High Bandwidth bridge (which doubles the SLI bandwidth for faster, smoother gaming at ultra-high resolutions and refresh rates) and NVIDIA Game Ready Driver SLI profiles. To ensure the best possible gaming experience on our GeForce 10-series GPUs, we’re focusing our efforts on 2-way SLI only and will continue to include 2-way SLI profiles in our Game Ready Drivers.

DX12 and NVIDIA VR Works SLI technology also allows developers to directly implement and control multi-GPU support within their games. If a developer chooses to use these technologies then their game will not need SLI profiles. Some developers may also decide to support more than 2 GPUs in their games. We continue to work with all developers creating games and VR applications that take advantage of 2 or more GPUs to make sure they’ll work great on GeForce 10-series GPUs.

For our overclocking community, our Game Ready Drivers will also include SLI profiles for 3- and 4-way configurations for specific OC applications only, including Fire Strike, Unigine and Catzilla.
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WHAT!! WHO BUYS 3 or 4 1080's for these crappy benchies!
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^ Agree! Plus AS5 is conductive.

I use Kryonaut for both my CPU and GPU now.. I tried the liquid metal thing and I cannot spread it I just kept going back and forth rolling a ball around and it got me so frustrated I threw it out and used Kryonaut... it works amazing and it's so easy to apply plus comes with a super awesome applicator.
I'm quite certain (although I haven't seen it yet) that the BIOS is limiting power on the single PCI-e. We can get 200W from that 8-pin and then another 75W from PCI-e for a total of 275W.... it will help but we won't be able to eliminate PWR perfcaps there's just not enough power.

 

 

I would've liked to keep up with the Arctic Silver 5 discussion in a more timely fashion, but probably $30,000 worth of flood damage to my home has occupied most of my non-work time recently... :Snorkle:

 

My opinion on AS5 developed from building 3 personal computers using TechBuyersGuru.com as a guide.  I think their recommendations on TIM are reasonably good, for general personal PC building (see below), but of course, I've been trying to develop my PC building skills beyond that level with forum participation, personal overclocking and my recent foray into PC repair and building as a side business.

 

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The step that takes the most skill is probably applying thermal paste, because getting just the right amount takes a bit of dexterity and patience. The method of application we show here, both in terms of quantity and location on the CPU, is what we recommend. You could call it “pea-sized,” but it’s actually a bit less than that, and over-applying will cause TIM to squeeze out onto your motherboard. It’s not dangerous, just messy. If you use too little, there will be gaps between the CPU and heatsink, reducing the effectiveness of heat transfer. Note that all heatsinks come with TIM, but if you want the best, use either Arctic MX-4 which is included with the very good, bargain-priced Arctic i30 cooler, or Noctua NT-H1, which is included with the full range of premium-priced Noctua heatsinks, including the NH-U12S features in this guide. If you buy a different brand of heatsink, consider adding a tube of one of these products to your order. Do us a favor, though: don't buy Arctic Silver 5. Yes, we know it outsells every other TIM combined, but trust us, we've used it, and it isn't very good. It's hard to apply, takes weeks to cure, and cakes up badly over time (you don't want to see what this stuff looks like when it comes time for your next CPU upgrade!). One last tip: to remove an incorrect or old application of TIM, use a lint-free cloth and standard rubbing alcohol. 

 

In my side business, I've "repaired" a number of laptops and desktop PCs that were having major overheating issues.  I have no way of knowing what the original TIM was on them, but replacing it with Arctic MX-4, Noctua NT-H1, and most recently, Gelid GC Extreme has "brought back to life" lots of problematic PCs in my experience.  And I didn't know until Laithan's post that it's conductive, too...   

 

I didn't think to take any recent photos myself, but lots of those "repair jobs" looked very similar to this before removal of old TIM... 

20120122-tt7iqrrjwxn4iwkscxyeesecyp-jpg-1c6b9a.jpeg

 

I'd always used the "pea" method, i.e. glob of TIM in the center and try to squish evenly... but more recently I've been spreading with the spreader "wand" that came with the Gelid TIM:

IMG_5472_600_400.gif

It results in a nice even application for the TIM.  

 

At any rate, then, that's my $0.025........  :arrowhead, take it or leave it!

 

Grizzly Kryonaut sounds awesome, but the price is anything but awesome, I'm sorry. :2cents: eek.gif  On the other hand, the Grizzly Hydronaut product has a lot, lot better $/oz or $/g price, for us semi-cheapskates out there!


Arrgh! One of the worst parts of this water damage hotel stay?  Separation from my gaming PC!  Dinking around on terribly underpowered laptops or even worse, my work iPhone...  :buttkick:puke.gifupsidedwnsmiley.gif

 

But at least there wasn't any water damage to the office room or any of the PCs at the house! :typer: 


Edited by Olorin - 6/9/16 at 9:26pm
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Pea method works fine as long as you have both relative flat surfaces for both die/IHS and heatsink bottom.

For HS that use direct contact heatpipe though you need to lay lines right on heatpipe because of gapes between each pipe.
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FFXIV is one of the best FREE GPU overclock verification tests you can find. If you set it to the MAXIMUM preset and run it @ 4K, prepare to bring your GPU to it's knees.. WATCH TEMPS (OSD recommended!) because this test specifically will bring a GPU over 85C easily if cooling is not sufficient.
FFXIV will beat your GPU a bit more than Unigine Heaven and more than Firestrike Ultra also smile.gif.
Pass FFXIV 3 times in a row without issue at those extreme settings and I would certify it as game stable. There ARE better tests but they aren't free.

I was looking at power % after running FFXIV and it mostly stayed at 100, for a split second went up to 110%. Is this good or bad?
Obviously hitting the limit would be bad, but I assumed it would use a lot more?

Temp never went above 63c mostly staying at 60c smile.gif
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Just upgrade my 980TI G1 Gaming to a Extreme Gaming smile.gif

Tried to flash de original rom back to the G1 Gaming but failed.

Used nvflash to do that.

Any ideias?
Edited by Tchoui - 6/10/16 at 12:12pm
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Grizzly Kryonaut sounds awesome, but the price is anything but awesome, I'm sorry. 

Am i missing something or what? I think i sow prices for Gelid higher then the Grizzly Kryonaut so i bought grizzly for like 8 euro and will use it for my H80i when it arrive sunday.

Ps. I sow that Gelid is 3,5 g and the Kryonaut is 1g, still no biggy, cus i will put it once...
Edited by NikolayNeykov - 6/10/16 at 12:53pm
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http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-1080-and-1070-3-Way-and-4-Way-SLI-will-not-be-enabled-games


"With the GeForce 10-series we’re investing heavily in 2-way SLI with our new High Bandwidth bridge (which doubles the SLI bandwidth for faster, smoother gaming at ultra-high resolutions and refresh rates) and NVIDIA Game Ready Driver SLI profiles. To ensure the best possible gaming experience on our GeForce 10-series GPUs, we’re focusing our efforts on 2-way SLI only and will continue to include 2-way SLI profiles in our Game Ready Drivers.

DX12 and NVIDIA VR Works SLI technology also allows developers to directly implement and control multi-GPU support within their games. If a developer chooses to use these technologies then their game will not need SLI profiles. Some developers may also decide to support more than 2 GPUs in their games. We continue to work with all developers creating games and VR applications that take advantage of 2 or more GPUs to make sure they’ll work great on GeForce 10-series GPUs.

For our overclocking community, our Game Ready Drivers will also include SLI profiles for 3- and 4-way configurations for specific OC applications only, including Fire Strike, Unigine and Catzilla.
"


WHAT!! WHO BUYS 3 or 4 1080's for these crappy benchies!

What is going on

This whole thing is what is going to kill the gaming pc in general over time you will only be left with elite enthusiast with money to burn and benchmarks to do yes with 3 or 4 cards frown.gif ..more and more will move over to consoles nvidia intel ect are shooting themselves in the foot with these prices ..

Plus games on the pc will become even worse either really bad ports or nothing at all ...console only..all the independents will have to move over to console or not exist

Amd however are clever its a win win for them more consoles sold more chips sold ....

Its been said few times nvidia want out of the PC gaming sector and want to be doing all there science stuff

Sad but there is some truth in this and who is to blame the companies selling the stuff in the 1st place at high prices themselves are to blame ..

This is not i future i want to be in so lets hope not ...

In the UK we have the strixx 1070 at a whopping £479.99 that's $684.73

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-geforce-gtx-1070-strix-gaming-8192mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-403-as.html

What is going on ???? this as to stop otherwise the above may just well come true
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