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post #7031 of 7110
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

Wow impressive 86% may be the highest we've seen here yet


Yes the MOD BIOS will certainly help in all instances however one may benefit a little more than another but overall they all benefit. Even if you cannot overclock higher you'll be able to allow more power and eliminate throttling, etc.

Nope we're not doing anything extreme here, as always flash at your own risk but as long as you watch your temps and use a custom fan curve you should be just fine.

Any questions feel free to ask (detailed info in the OP). I'm curious to see how the MOD BIOS works for you.
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Thanks for the reply! When I get some water cooling I'll give the modded BIOS a go. Unfortunatly living in South Africa so buying an EK waterblock cost half the price of the damn card here lol so I'm just going for a kraken g10 and a corsair h110
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Originally Posted by Minium View Post

Looks like I have a competitor thumb.gif
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Can you post your FireStrike / Superposition scores ?Fire Strike link would be nice.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12467883
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12467901
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12468010



That's what I have so far. I know the memory can still go up from that but I didn't want to push too hard, when I get some water cooling I'll give this a proper go with modded bios!
Hopefully I'll also have an OC'd 4790k and not this plain old 4790
post #7032 of 7110
Even with a the moddet bios, temps shouldnt be a problem. If your card reached ~70°C max with stock fan curve.You would just need to put fans at 100% -jet engine but it works.Your abient temps could be really high since you live in South Africa so I could be wrong.
post #7033 of 7110
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Originally Posted by Carbon12 View Post

Thanks for the reply! When I get some water cooling I'll give the modded BIOS a go. Unfortunatly living in South Africa so buying an EK waterblock cost half the price of the damn card here lol so I'm just going for a kraken g10 and a corsair h110




That's what I have so far. I know the memory can still go up from that but I didn't want to push too hard, when I get some water cooling I'll give this a proper go with modded bios!
Hopefully I'll also have an OC'd 4790k and not this plain old 4790

We have an AIR BIOS too, not just for H2O, fyi.

I am amazed by your scores... biggrin.gif    thumbsupsmiley.png
I did some testing (quickly) this morning and I'm seeing something interesting, which doesn't help me explain your scores much either.

Here is the basic information I gathered from your system:
* You mentioned that you overclocked your GPU @ 1610Mhz roughly.
* You mentioned that your VRAM is running @ 8Ghz (+500Mhz)
* You have a Haswell quad core w/HT (I don't know if HT was enabled or not)
* You don't seem to be overclocking your CPU at all (but superposition doesn't report cpu speed correctly)


So I did a test of my own... I disabled SLI on my system and rebooted.
* I overclocked my GPU @ 1625Mhz
* I overclocked my VRAM to 8Ghz effective (+500Mhz)
* I'm using a MOD BIOS
* My GPU has a full cover block under water
* I have a hex core with HT enabled
* My CPU is overclocked to just under 4.7Ghz

Comparing those basic stats one could argue that I would have an advantage over you and should be able to at least meet, but likely exceed your score.

But I didn't... mad.gif



I really don't understand this...

So then I said to myself, AH HA! I bet I know why, it is because I have HT enabled. Let me go into my BIOS and disable HT.. rebooted, ran the same test and got the same score.

Then I even overclocked my CPU to 4.8Ghz... and actually got a slightly lower score...So it looks like CPU speed, number of cores and cache size (arguably cut in half per core when HT is enabled) have no impact on the score of this test. If the CPU doesn't matter much than would the chipset be playing a role (advancements from IVY-e to Haswell?!? I mean I'm even running quad channel memory clocked @ 2426Mhz (32GB)...


You may have a golden sample there bud... wow... I just don't understand why I'm not beating your score lol!!
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Can anyone else explain this? What am I missing here?


EDIT: Looking at 3DMark I am now seeing scores that I would expect to see in comparison..

Mine
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9289741

Yours (I can also now see that HT was disabled)
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12468010


Can you post a FFXIV free benchmark (on MAX PRESET) score?

I'm starting to be a little suspicious of Superposition...
Edited by Laithan - 4/30/17 at 9:59am
post #7034 of 7110
Laithan.... your CPU is not a gaming CPU at all.You´ll never get the same scores as somebody with an I7.Games/graphic benchmarks like less powerful cores.Your Xeon has 6(12) not so powerful cores (the number of them can theoratically compensate) but benchmarks (except cpu tests) cant take advantage of them.
I still need to throw my score out there:D

22. place on HWBOT HOF beating some 1080´s:D
post #7035 of 7110
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Laithan.... your CPU is not a gaming CPU at all.You´ll never get the same scores as somebody with an I7.Games/graphic benchmarks like less powerful cores.Your Xeon has 6(12) not so powerful cores (the number of them can theoratically compensate) but benchmarks (except cpu tests) cant take advantage of them.

I am pretty sure this is a misconception. I don't mean to be argumentative but as far as I know that's just myth and it was a good topic to ramble about so here goes! smile.gif

Xeons and i7s are made from the same die also AFAIK (labeled after testing). The information about this is certainly spotty... many assumptions. So we must investigate smile.gif There's little difference between a XEON and an i7 IVY-e when comparing the equivalent models.



Note the stepping and advanced features... all identical.
Note the cache size, identical
I have HT off at the moment but everything that matters for performance and gaming are 100% identical.
I do get decent overclocks however I don't have the best example personally as my CPU needs a lot of voltage to exceed 4.6Ghz but there some other guys over in the Asus Rampage RIVBE thread that have some extremely impressive Xeons with lower voltage than mine. Silicon lottery even with a binned chip...

Comparison from ARK http://ark.intel.com/compare/77780,75780

There are differences:

(1) Price..server class chips are usually more expensive (at launch)
(2) Desktop CPU has 100Mhz less base clock (irrelevant but part of the specs).
(3) Xeon supports 256GB ram (also ECC), i7 only 64GB.. the i7s are just limited by intel to justify the existence of Xeons...
(4) Xeon supports multi-sockets (not cores) however the 16xx Xeons do not.. 16xx Xeons are truly special
(5) Xeons are binned better. They are the "cream of the crop" CPUs because they are intended for 24x7 operation. They usually overclock better on average.
(6) I don't believe any Xeons have a functional iGPU (I think electrically disabled)

(7) This is the KEY point here... MOST Xeons are multipler LOCKED. This gives the clear advantage to the i7s that are unlocked. The 16xx series Xeons (all) are unlocked and it's something not known by everyone.

Honestly what more can you ask for with a binned + unlocked CPU?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon

The Xeon /ˈziːɒn/ is a brand of x86 microprocessors designed, manufactured, and marketed by Intel Corporation, targeted at the non-consumer workstation, server, and embedded system markets. The primary advantages of the Xeon CPUs, when compared to the majority of Intel's desktop-grade consumer CPUs, are their multi-socket capabilities, higher core counts, larger cache memory, and support for ECC memory. A Xeon Phi co-processor, or co-processors, can be used alongside an existing Intel Xeon processor to provide increased/improved computing power, requiring an available PCI Express 3.0 x16 slot in x16, or x8 mode.

Disadvantages that make Xeon processors unsuitable for most consumer-grade desktop PCs include lower clock rates at the same price point (since servers run more tasks in parallel than desktops, so core counts become more important than clock rates), absence of an integrated GPU, and non-existent support for overclocking. Despite such disadvantages, Xeon processors have always had popularity among desktop users (primarily gamers, and extreme users), mainly due to higher core count potential, and lower price to performance ratio vs. the Core i7. Because most Intel Xeon CPUs lack an integrated GPU, systems built with such integrated GPU lacking processors require a discrete graphics card if a VDU output is desired.[1]


This of course is null and void with CERTAIN Xeons that are unlocked.

E5-16xx, E5-16xxV2 and E5-16xxV3 are all Xeons that are UNLOCKED. They also do not support multiple sockets. You would have to use the E5-26xx (V2 and V3 also) for multi sockets and they are also locked processors.

The E5-16xx series was basically a gift from intel. Why would all the 16xx series be UNLOCKED and all the higher Xeons (ALL of them) are locked.

The higher end chip, that I honest wish I had (but it was too expensive) is the E5-1660V2. This one has a 15MB cache instead of the 12MB on mine, and yes also unlocked.

https://ark.intel.com/products/75781/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1660-v2-15M-Cache-3_70-GHz

and in comparison, they repeated the same thing here with the top dog, the i7 4960X. In this case it's essentially identical to the E5-1660V2 (again we see the 100Mhz difference on the base clock speed)
https://ark.intel.com/products/77779/Intel-Core-i7-4960X-Processor-Extreme-Edition-15M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz

All 4 processors mentioned above compared
https://ark.intel.com/compare/77779,75781,77780,75780

Intel had bad info.. like saying there is a difference in advanced instruction sets... NOPE... the CPU-z screenshot shows they have identical instruction sets.

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Originally Posted by Minium View Post

I still need to throw my score out there:D

22. place on HWBOT HOF beating some 1080´s:D

That sir is super impressive!!
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Can you also post your FFXIV score max preset?

You've got the same BIOS as me and running at the same clocks so it must be chipset/CPU related...

Here the thing I just don't "get" how CPU speed is not affecting this benchmark much. When I increased my CPU overclock my score slightly lowered. This was because (I think) because I was using a lower bus speed and lower memory speed when I bump to 4.8Ghz.. point is the raw CPU performance didn't seem to help. Perhaps it is chipset related and/or memory speed related?

What speed do you guys run your memory? Especially if using DDR4 there could be potential for the memory to play a role. I'm using DDR3. I'm going to run my memory at like 2133Mhz and repeat at the same speed GPU and CPU to see what happens when going from 2426Mhz to 2133Mhz memory... maybe this test is sensitive to memory speed?

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The secret sauce.. this is the ONLY 8-core CPU for X79... 25MB cache!.. Sold only in Mac PROs, they don't disappoint and hang with Haswell 8-cores.
https://ark.intel.com/products/77912/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1680-v2-25M-Cache-3_00-GHz

Interesting info anyway
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Edited by Laithan - 5/2/17 at 9:03am
post #7036 of 7110
Guys need your help!

I have remove EK waterblock from Gigabyte 980 Ti (GV-N98TXTREME-6GD) and installed original cooling, but fans wont works, card works, fans no... what it can be?

p.s. Card over year worked with waterblock and Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti XTREME H2O BIOS, now with default cooling and bios fans not works...
Edited by SandroX - 5/3/17 at 6:07am
post #7037 of 7110
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Originally Posted by SandroX View Post

Guys need your help!

I have remove EK waterblock from Gigabyte 980 Ti (GV-N98TXTREME-6GD) and installed original cooling, but fans wont works, card works, fans no... what it can be?

p.s. Card over year worked with waterblock and Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti XTREME H2O BIOS, now with default cooling and bios fans not works...
Mayve you plugged the fans cables wrong^^
post #7038 of 7110
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Originally Posted by Minium View Post

Mayve you plugged the fans cables wrong^^

How that? There only one way/side how yo plug them smile.gif
Edited by SandroX - 5/3/17 at 8:59am
post #7039 of 7110
Thread Starter 
Can you measure if there is current coming from the pins?

Loose wire/pins on the connector?

Are fans able to spin freely if you move them manually?

Have you tried auto VS custom fan curve?

Static electricity? I don't think a fan controller even gets hot. Who knows.. thinking.gif
post #7040 of 7110
Broke my FireStrike record again biggrin.gif

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19701453
Position 19 on I7 6700k + 980Ti HOF biggrin.gif
Edited by Minium - 5/3/17 at 10:28am
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