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Having no DP sure didn't stop some, me included, from spending $1400.00-$1600.00 for sli Classifieds/Kingpins...I'll have two, please...smile.gif
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Just ordered two in stock at nvidia.com wheee.gif

The super high tax was annoying though. redface.gif

You are setting a terrible example, Vega.
    
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Techspot uses the Windforce X3 cooler for their Gigabyte R9 290X. The Titan uses a, in my personal opinion, sexy but garbage blower cooler. And yet they maintain parity in temperatures. Despite the 290X having a FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better cooler.


Now in terms of power consumption.....yeah. Fair enough.

It does not matter. AMD stock cooler suck and we all know that but its 18 months since 290X came out. You can only buy non-reference now. Also Titan will always remain reference.
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post #104 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Serandur View Post

The original Titan itself had plenty of fair controversy for being overpriced, and this cuts out that FP64 checkmark a lot of people used to claim the original Titan was fairly priced. It's not price/performance I'm arguing about, it's about a poorly-built, noisy, and hot-running card that has nothing exceptional or even great about its build quality nor its relative value to cards assuredly releasing within a few months that'll curbstomp it for cheaper. The only thing this Titan has to offer is 12 GBs of VRAM... that's it, with vastly inferior cooling, aesthetic options, power delivery, and pricing. Nvidia's pricing increases are one thing, their complete lockdown on AIBs in refusing any custom models and still restricting their $1000 flagship is another.


Prove $1000 is a fair price, history certainly doesn't support it as anything normal for the same die size and performance increases $1000 gets you now and Nvidia's own limitations and cheap construction of the card hardly represent $1000 worth of value. If "most" buying a flagship, $1000 (the most expensive any single GPU has ever been) card don't care about overclocking, aesthetics, cooling, noise, tweaking the card, and paying far less money for all of the above and similar performance by just waiting a little while then what exactly do they care about? Shiny "Titan" sticker? Objectively, this thing's performance will be available for a much lower price within months and all the above options will as well. Objectively, this thing's build quality and physical characteristics are vastly inferior to much cheaper options that are and will be on the market.


I don't need to restate the list of cons of the card, but it's been tested and it is a very lackluster overall product (which a graphics card as a whole is; more than just the GPU) especially for the price and considering the way it will be undercut very soon. There are cards one third its price was far better build quality and thermal/noise performance. That's pathetic. Ultimately, the "card" itself is nothing special at all. The GPU is fast, the whole card around it is pretty poor.

1000 is kind of a fair price in comparison to the gtx 980 at 550. But only if you value the 6gb of memory.

It wouldn't be unusual for a vendor to charge 100 dollars more for 4gb of extra memory. So it shouldn't be a surprise to get charged 200 dollars for 8 more gigabytes of memory.

take 200 dollars aways from the titan x price and you are at 799.

The performance difference between the titan x and gtx 980 is about 32%, perhaps 40% at 4k.

So take that into account and add that amount to the price of the gtx 980. This will lead to a price somewhere around 726-770. Thus if you can justify the purchase of the gtx 980 at 550, it is possible to justify the price of the gtx titan x.
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1000 is kind of a fair price in comparison to the gtx 980 at 550. But only if you value the 6gb of memory.

It wouldn't be unusual for a vendor to charge 100 dollars more for 4gb of extra memory. So it shouldn't be a surprise to get charged 200 dollars for 8 more gigabytes of memory.

take 200 dollars aways from the titan x price and you are at 799.

The performance difference between the titan x and gtx 980 is about 32%, perhaps 40% at 4k.

So take that into account and add that amount to the price of the gtx 980. This will lead to a price somewhere around 726-770. Thus if you can justify the purchase of the gtx 980 at 550, it is possible to justify the price of the gtx titan x.

And have we even justified the 980's price? It is, after all, the mid-range chip going for more than the big-die Fermi flagship launched at a few years ago. Meanwhile, they allow custom 980 designs as well while they don't for the Titan X.
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Some Cons, nice Pros

Fans don' turn off in idle as a CON?? LOL GOOD!! I effin' hate that, would drive me nuts idling at 50C+ on the gpu. My AIR COOLED CLASSY idles in mid 20's Celcius, around ~25-27C....

Quiet system in idle, rolleyes.gif

Once you start gaming the fans ramp up anyway....
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The original Titan itself had plenty of fair controversy for being overpriced, and this cuts out that FP64 checkmark a lot of people used to claim the original Titan was fairly priced. It's not price/performance I'm arguing about, it's about a poorly-built, noisy, and hot-running card that has nothing exceptional or even great about its build quality nor its relative value to cards assuredly releasing within a few months that'll curbstomp it for cheaper. The only thing this Titan has to offer is 12 GBs of VRAM... that's it, with vastly inferior cooling, aesthetic options, power delivery, and pricing. Nvidia's pricing increases are one thing, their complete lockdown on AIBs in refusing any custom models and still restricting their $1000 flagship is another.


Prove $1000 is a fair price, history certainly doesn't support it as anything normal for the same die size and performance increases $1000 gets you now and Nvidia's own limitations and cheap construction of the card hardly represent $1000 worth of value. If "most" buying a flagship, $1000 (the most expensive any single GPU has ever been) card don't care about overclocking, aesthetics, cooling, noise, tweaking the card, and paying far less money for all of the above and similar performance by just waiting a little while then what exactly do they care about? Shiny "Titan" sticker? Objectively, this thing's performance will be available for a much lower price within months and all the above options will as well. Objectively, this thing's build quality and physical characteristics are vastly inferior to much cheaper options that are and will be on the market.


I don't need to restate the list of cons of the card, but it's been tested and it is a very lackluster overall product (which a graphics card as a whole is; more than just the GPU) especially for the price and considering the way it will be undercut very soon. There are cards one third its price was far better build quality and thermal/noise performance. That's pathetic. Ultimately, the "card" itself is nothing special at all. The GPU is fast, the whole card around it is pretty poor, and GPUs just as fast (give or take a few %) with far more fitting construction quality, cooling performance, overclocking ability, and aesthetics options are soon following at a far lower price. Unless you're tri/quad SLIing these things under liquid-cooling for a multi-monitor setup, the Titan X offers literally nothing to anyone worth considering in light of what's to come. Considering 16nm FinFET next year as well, the Titan X's performance category will be much more quickly overshadowed than the original Titan as well.

Prove it's a fair price?

It will sell. People will buy it. Myself included. Not much more proof needed than that.

Why do some people always focus on "what's coming next" when buying computer hardware? It doesn't matter... there will always be better, at cheaper prices, in the near future.
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Just ordered two in stock at nvidia.com wheee.gif

The super high tax was annoying though. redface.gif

To power that 55" 4K LG OLED?

You will never know who I am on AVS! ph34r-smiley.gif
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Fans don' turn off in idle as a CON?? LOL GOOD!! I effin' hate that, would drive me nuts idling at 50C+ on the gpu. My AIR COOLED CLASSY idles in mid 20's Celcius, around ~25-27C....

Quiet system in idle, rolleyes.gif

Once you start gaming the fans ramp up anyway....

I wonder how much lifetime you lose running a GPU at 84C ~12 hours a day. I always set a custom fan profile to keep it at 80C or lower.

Seems crazy to me that many of the top end GPUs run so hot with stock fan profiles.
Edited by Murlocke - 3/17/15 at 2:16pm
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My Only gripe is the Reference PCB WTB Custom PCB smile.gif
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this card could have been amazing at 700 and called a gtx 1080...
I dont think the GM200 6GB card will be called GTX 1080. As a card marketed for 4K gaming , I dont think it would be wise to put 1080 in the name lol wink.gif
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Let's hope AMD has something up its torpedo tubes that it can fight back with, both from a raw performance and from a power efficiency standpoint.
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250mhz core increase with no voltage increase?!

Overclocked, with no voltage increase, this thing is just shy of 2x 780Ti with 100% scaling.

eek.gif

Imagine what a Titan X Lightning would be able to do, particularly if water cooled. We'd be looking at over 1500 MHz, especially on a Lightning PCB.

Sadly if the history of the Titan is any indication, we will not see such a thing happen. Instead, we will see a variant with 14/16th the power (likely) as a $650 mainsteam, which is what happened with the GTX 780. The exception is if AMD comes up with something good that beats Nvidia at performance. Fingers crossed here.

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What an overpriced piece of garbage:

-no custom PCBs
-no backplate
-reference, blower-style cooler and heatsink only
-hot
-loud
-coil whine
-locked voltage
-6+8 pin power connectors only
-pitiful FP64 performance
-$1000
-will be easily beat out or matched in all of the above and roughly matched in end-performance by much cheaper "GTX 1080"s and/or the R9 390X within months


This thing could be the same price as its custom, numbered 6 GB counterpart and I still wouldn't even consider it.


People will always rationalize their purchases. There is an almost Apple-like loyalty at times, on both sides of the fence (AMD and Nvidia). I just wish that the high end GPU and high end CPU market segments were more competitive. We consumers are the losers here. mad.gif


As I said, hope that AMD can bring something good to the table. They might be able to with HBM, but we don't know about what they are doing with their graphics core.
Edited by CrazyElf - 3/17/15 at 2:17pm
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