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While natively generated UE4 produced games will not support SLI, it can be done by those that plug it into the engine which everyone gets source code for. The Game "Daylight" engineered SLI support into their game. (on Steam)

Regarding the OG Titan's 6GB memory. It depends on what target you want to shoot for in the next couple years. 6GB "OG" or the potential of using 12GB with the "X". I'm personally betting on Titan X(2) SLI for my futureproof (damn good enough for me) option. They should arrive later today.

Been waiting a long time for a card to replace my original Titan that of course still runs "every" game now just fine. I also Octane Render from time to time and it will be nice to have the extra scene memory available. I've had extremely complex scenes to render over the last year and at times I have held back due to VRAM in the past, even on the OG Titan. 

I foresee no issues with the Titan X for me personally. I've owned an OG Titan for over 2 years now, and just purchased 2 "X" as I said.
Just what I've been thinking, I love the 12gb part on the Titan x, guess it'll justify the +200euro price along the road, if it gets cheaper and I get a second one later...
Probably I'll skip this offer on the OG and wait for a few weeks for the titanX to get here, hope they don't go nuts again on the price...

thanks for your advice! rep+
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There's a difference between "I won't buy this, it's too expensive" and "You shouldn't buy this, it's too expensive." Seems like there's a lot of the latter.

There are probably just as many saying that "you should buy it", so I don't mind seeing a differing opinion, or else it would just look like a sales thread tongue.gif
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Screen-Tearing, Frame-Drops, Driver-support, having to resale multiple cards when upgrading. TitanX has finally giving me a reason to go back to a single gpu. The original Titan didn't offer the performance over the 690 to warrant the upgrade. 980 was close but still didn't pack the performance I wanted. Amd is always dragging their feet and quite frankly I wouldn't purchase anything from them. The 390x will not match the TitanX in performance nor will any custom 390x.Rumor has it at $700+ with only 4gb of vram. If it does it will be much closer to Titan X's price tag and have to be overclocked to the point that its becomes a noisy red furnace spitting artifacts and constant blue screens. I'll take the stable factory clocked card for my gaming needs.. I'll pay the premium for an Nvidia product all day long as well. Just my 2cents.


This is all I need to see..............Vram limitations is not a Myth. 2gb kills the 690.
[\spoiler]

As I said, I don't have any of the sli issues (or not enough for me to down grade to a single card ...again speaking for my personal preference)

I thought 390x was supposed to have higher bandwidth and 8 gb of effective vram?... who knows, but I do know that their card is coming soon, and I am willing to wait.

2gb was never enough for 690.., except for 1080p lol but there is a wide gulf between 2gb varm and 12 gb vram, which NV can fill out with another GM200 card. And, if that card is a custom pcb, I would think that it would perform better than the Titan X. But, again, this is just a guess.

You paying a premium for any brand (and I have done the same) is your prerogative, but I would like the "brand" to earn my purchase each and every single time, not because of any residual brand equity ....

I understand your view, but we don't have to agree on it...lol

Why wouldn't I give AMD an opportunity to win my business.... I only see upside for ME in this strategy, and at the end of the day that's all what its about ME, as consumer, not any brand... tongue.gif
I am sure that that the "brand" is very capable of looking after its own best interests.... lol
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There's a difference between "I won't buy this, it's too expensive" and "You shouldn't buy this, it's too expensive." Seems like there's a lot of the latter.

Actually, there's none of the latter. No one is saying "Don't buy this, it is expensive." It is: buying into Nvidia's presumed marketing goals of creating a $1000 single GPU pricepoint for the top-end card, which a few years ago was sold at a price point of $5-600 is not helpful to gamers and probably the enthusiast community in general.

These cards are not performing at some spectacular margin above where prior new-gen cards performed (say like 3x the performance). The Titan X can't even double the performance of the $350 290x, yet it costs almost 3x as much?

It performs like a next-gen card (less than 2x the increase of the prior gen) yet it's being priced like some premium supercard. There is nothing spectacular about this card other than its high price point.

Buying these cards at this price point encourages Nvidia and AMD to sell the fastest single card for $1000 instead of $5-600 like they did a few years ago. Personally, I don't tend to support products that don't provide a proportional increase in quality for the increase in price.

This kind of marketing stuff is like Premium membership that EA does (you know, where you pay more to get DLC and other stuff that used to come cheaper or free) ... it's playing on the need of some gamers to feel "elite" and charging for status created by their marketing team (i.e., "Premium Member" "Titan GPU") rather than charging for increased quality. I like to own the best components as much as anyone, but I think in this case it's way out of proportion in a way that isn't present in other areas of computer tech. In essence compared to recent GPU pricing for comparable performance increases, you are paying something like a $400-500 price premium JUST for the Titan name, because the performance increase over the prior gen isn't that different from how it has ever been.
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Actually, there's none of the latter. No one is saying "Don't buy this, it is expensive." It is: buying into Nvidia's presumed marketing goals of creating a $1000 single GPU pricepoint for the top-end card, which a few years ago was sold at a price point of $5-600 is not helpful to gamers and probably the enthusiast community in general.

I don't see how that's any different than saying, "don't buy this, it's expensive." I suppose you could make the claim that what you're actually saying is, "don't buy this, if you do it you will encourage Nvidia to keep charging this much for their flagship card and therefore it will affect me because I don't want to pay this much because it's too expensive." That's just semantics. It's the same thing.
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I don't see how that's any different than saying, "don't buy this, it's expensive." I suppose you could make the claim that what you're actually saying is, "don't buy this, if you do it you will encourage Nvidia to keep charging this much for their flagship card and therefore it will affect me because I don't want to pay this much because it's too expensive." That's just semantics. It's the same thing.

I thought my speakers were expensive (for PC speakers at least). However, I wasn't paying an exorbitant "premium/status tax" that had no correlation with an increase in quality which is what you get with the Titan X and its variants IMO. Expensive means it costs a lot. The point is completely different and already stated in my post, which is about paying for status rather than performance (which is what the Titan X is IMO), given that performance hasn't increased much differently with this card than any other next gen card. The only different is the price point the the top single card has jumped by almost 100% from a few years ago.

Most highest-end PC products tend to give you a real increase in performance with a marginal "best product in its class" tax. Example: Samsung 850 Pro... fastest product, a BIT more expensive than comparable products.

The Titan X on the other hand is charging something like a $500 "best in class" premium for performance that is not that much greater than current $350 dollar cards.
The only analogue I can see is Intel's $1000 CPU but even that offers 50% more processing power than their current top end product, rather than 50-60% over the prior gen (i.e., the performance you used to get just from the next generation of video cards).
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Meanwhile compared to its immediate predecessors such as the GTX 780 Ti and the original GTX Titan, the GTX Titan X represents a significant, though perhaps not-quite-generational 50%-60% increase in performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/18


Personally, I think Nvidia, EA, Ubisoft, all have kind of a dim view of the gaming community and really think they respond to shiny, chintzy, cheap ways to attain self esteem like "Premium Membership" and "Titan GPUs" and they've all decided to see how much they can shaft gamers for.

The focus has really shifted in gaming (games and GPUs now to an extent) away from creating and charging for quality to creating and charging for "shiny" things like status, hyped trailers, derivative annual sequels (COD, BF Hardline, etc.) pre-ordering fiascos, DLC, a lot of stuff that just isn't positive for gamers.

I'm not sure whether it is gamers who have changed in the last 5-10 years or the strategies of these corporations, but one reason you don't see Samsung charging $300 more for the 850 Pro is because consumers in other sectors are more discerning and won't pay for it, and guess what, they're better off because they are getting better products at lower prices.
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I thought my speakers were expensive (for PC speakers at least). However, I wasn't paying an exorbitant "premium/status tax" that had no correlation with an increase in quality which is what you get with the Titan X and its variants IMO. Expensive means it costs a lot. The point is completely different and already stated in my post, which is about paying for status rather than performance (which is what the Titan X is IMO), given that performance hasn't increased much differently with this card than any other next gen card. The only different is the price point the the top single card has jumped by almost 100% from a few years ago.

Most highest-end PC products tend to give you a real increase in performance with a marginal "best product in its class" tax. Example: Samsung 850 Pro... fastest product, a BIT more expensive than comparable products.

The Titan X on the other hand is charging something like a $500 "best in class" premium for performance that is not that much greater than current $350 dollar cards.
The only analogue I can see is Intel's $1000 CPU but even that offers 50% more processing power than their current top end product, rather than 50-60% over the prior gen (i.e., the performance you used to get just from the next generation of video cards).
Personally, I think Nvidia, EA, Ubisoft, all have kind of a dim view of the gaming community and really think they respond to shiny, chintzy, cheap ways to attain self esteem like "Premium Membership" and "Titan GPUs" and they've all decided to see how much they can shaft gamers for.

The focus has really shifted in gaming (games and GPUs now to an extent) away from creating and charging for quality to creating and charging for "shiny" things like status, hyped trailers, derivative annual sequels (COD, BF Hardline, etc.) pre-ordering fiascos, DLC, a lot of stuff that just isn't positive for gamers.

I'm not sure whether it is gamers who have changed in the last 5-10 years or the strategies of these corporations, but one reason you don't see Samsung charging $300 more for the 850 Pro is because consumers in other sectors are more discerning and won't pay for it, and guess what, they're better off because they are getting better products at lower prices.

I know exactly what you are saying here, but you are beating a dead horse at this point. Many of us have had this argument over the years and honestly the people that have the money for a card like this will spend it on one. I am guilty of buying the first Titan because the market had grown so stagnant at the time. This release is a little different, but due to the performance increase over the 6 month old 980, people still feel it is worth their money to buy. Can't fault them for that. thumb.gif
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I don't quite get why when people make points like this, people are like "yeah, sure, but things will never change."

I mean what is the point of saying that? It isn't even consistent with history and generally history shows it to be the wrong position to take anyway. Like why bother promoting democracy, people have and always will be ruled by kings and queens.
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I thought my speakers were expensive (for PC speakers at least). However, I wasn't paying an exorbitant "premium/status tax" that had no correlation with an increase in quality which is what you get with the Titan X and its variants IMO. Expensive means it costs a lot. The point is completely different and already stated in my post, which is about paying for status rather than performance (which is what the Titan X is IMO), given that performance hasn't increased much differently with this card than any other next gen card. The only different is the price point the the top single card has jumped by almost 100% from a few years ago.

Performance is relative, as you mentioned it is your opinion but as Kingpin demonstrated yesterday (albeit with ln2) with a decent firestrike run the X is doing well so far. The next Titan X result falls just under the 980 and i'm sure there's more to come, in my opinion the Titan X is already showing a performance increase over Nvidias previous flagship despite it still only being early days with little experimentation with OCs and such. Yes you pay a premium and Yes ATI might bring out something better but arguing that you're paying for status over performance is relative to your opinion of what performance is, but I would hate to label a card that's been out for a week... That might make me look jaded and small minded.

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I don't quite get why when people make points like this, people are like "yeah, sure, but things will never change."

I mean what is the point of saying that? It isn't even consistent with history and generally history shows it to be the wrong position to take anyway. Like why bother promoting democracy, people have and always will be ruled by kings and queens.

Things can change, but you better come up with a better argument. Go check the original Titan thread from 2 years ago. Eerily similar arguments made and the OG Titan still sold very well.
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Ordered the titan x from ncixus.
Newegg and amazon are out of stock so if someone looking to buy it now you know where.
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