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Things can change, but you better come up with a better argument. Go check the original Titan thread from 2 years ago. Eerily similar arguments made and the OG Titan still sold very well.

What doesn't make sense is why people actually SUPPORT being charged more money. It's like those threads on the Video games forum where everyone is defending the publisher who released a game that's so buggy they can't play it. The gaming community seems to have changed somehow, or maybe it's always been like this but corporations are now taking more advantage.
Edited by Robertdt - 3/24/15 at 4:23pm
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Ordered the titan x from ncixus.
Newegg and amazon are out of stock so if someone looking to buy it now you know where.

Showing out of stock for me http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=107147&vpn=12G-P4-2990-KR&manufacture=eVGA
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Performance is relative, as you mentioned it is your opinion but as Kingpin demonstrated yesterday (albeit with ln2) with a decent firestrike run the X is doing well so far. The next Titan X result falls just under the 980 and i'm sure there's more to come, in my opinion the Titan X is already showing a performance increase over Nvidias previous flagship despite it still only being early days with little experimentation with OCs and such. Yes you pay a premium and Yes ATI might bring out something better but arguing that you're paying for status over performance is relative to your opinion of what performance is, but I would hate to label a card that's been out for a week... That might make me look jaded and small minded.



The fact is the card is around 50-60% faster than a $350 290x. I find it incredible that so many people are sitting here arguing in favor of Nvidia charging $1000 for this card.
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They are going to charge what the market will allow. The market wasn't willing to go to $3K for the Titan Z, but at $999 the Titan X seems to be selling well. If you could get all the buyers together you might get somewhere, but as an individual you're just a fart in the wind, and Nvidia (and to a slightly lesser extent AMD because somehow they got the rep as the discount brand in this duopoly) are completely ignoring you.
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As individuals everyone is "just a fart in the wind."

Again, watching people defend Nvidia for charging $1000 dollars for a marginally faster GPU is pretty interesting.
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What doesn't make sense is why people actually SUPPORT being charged more money. It's like those threads on the Video games forum where everyone is defending the publisher who released a game that's so buggy they can't play it. The gaming community seems to have changed somehow, or maybe it's always been like this but corporations are now taking more advantage.
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The fact is the card is around 50-60% faster than a $350 290x. I find it incredible that so many people are sitting here arguing in favor of Nvidia charging $1000 for this card.

People continually fall into the trap of making arbitrary performance comparisons between ATI and Nvidia, if you're arguing the difference in stock performance between the two not matching up to the pricing structures it's a moot point arguing it on a website like 'Overclock.net' where stock speeds are largely irrelevant for anything other than forming an initial baseline.

The Titan X wasn't marketed towards commercial use (unless you want a budget Quadro) and more gamers/benchers, which I interpret as Nvidia wanting the card to be pushed whether it be gaming or benchmarking. So far the X has not given any indication of being like an Ubisoft release or GTA IV nor has it shown consistently lower across the board performance than what was expected.

The $1k pricetag may not always be present and at that stage the people who feel the current pricing structure to be 'unfair' might be more inclined to purchase it, comparing the X to an unfinished game or defective product so early is simply ignorant and trying to discourage people from using nvidia.

I respect both GPU manufacturers however I prefer Nvidia for my cards, this said I won't discourage ATI's new products a week after launch as being comparable to a "game that's so buggy they can't play it".
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Showing out of stock for me http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=107147&vpn=12G-P4-2990-KR&manufacture=eVGA

Damn that was fast.
I was able to place a order when was in stock but they told me at the phone that they will ship out Monday.
I have another order with amazon and they will ship the 31 march with prime so i think i will cancel the one with ncixus
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People continually fall into the trap of making arbitrary performance comparisons between ATI and Nvidia, if you're arguing the difference in stock performance between the two not matching up to the pricing structures it's a moot point arguing it on a website like 'Overclock.net' where stock speeds are largely irrelevant for anything other than forming an initial baseline.

The Titan X wasn't marketed towards commercial use (unless you want a budget Quadro) and more gamers/benchers, which I interpret as Nvidia wanting the card to be pushed whether it be gaming or benchmarking. So far the X has not given any indication of being like an Ubisoft release or GTA IV nor has it shown consistently lower across the board performance than what was expected.

The $1k pricetag may not always be present and at that stage the people who feel the current pricing structure to be 'unfair' might be more inclined to purchase it, comparing the X to an unfinished game or defective product so early is simply ignorant and trying to discourage people from using nvidia.

I respect both GPU manufacturers however I prefer Nvidia for my cards, this said I won't discourage ATI's new products a week after launch as being comparable to a "game that's so buggy they can't play it".

No it's not. And I'm not a fanboy of either company and though I generally like ATI cards (actually since I bought the $599 Nvidia 7800 GTX way back and felt like it was a ripoff for the performance I got).

The analogy I made is exactly what I said, which is gamers are somehow so quick to defend companies that act in ways that would be intolerable in other sectors.

For example, no one is going to pay $600 for a Samsung Titan SSD that's only a standard amount faster than the prior gen product that costs $300. People aren't going to pay $1000 for a "Titan Super X Monitor" with 1ms response time when the next best product costs only $500 and offers 1.5ms response time.

The point is that gamers are curiously not only willing to let themselves be royally shafted by companies, whether it is game companies like EA releasing overhyped, overpriced, shiny crap every six months, or Nvidia coming up with the notion of charging $1000 for their flagship single card instead of $600, slapping the word "Titan" on it and watching people line up to pay a premium tax and then go defend why they should on the forums. It's utterly bizarre to see people spending energy defending Nvidia for charging a huge premium for this card ... but not much different than watching gamers defend Battlefield Premium, microtransactions, or whatever the latest corporate scheme is to transfer money out of the pockets of gamers based on something other than actually creating a higher quality product.
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Again your argument is making unreasonable comparisons, you can't compare products with highly adjustable performance (cpus/gpus) that provide far more longevity than products like games/dlcs/addons. Even a comparison to monitors/hdds is fairly unreasonable as you generally can't get more than the stock performance out of them (yes korean monitor OCing/ssd OCing lel), the 'premium' applied has been in place for both cpus and gpus for sometime while also being argued against for just as long.

Your argument should be redirected towards all pioneering manufacturers that charge a 'premium' for products they release before the competition and are responsible for consistent and incremental profitability, chastising one or two companies with armchair arguments within a specific industry is an irresponsible way of delivering your point not to mention a strong bias being displayed in your responses.

We probably won't agree on this point, and I don't want to steer this thread any further offtopic.gif
Edited by Nytestryke - 3/24/15 at 6:44pm
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They are going to charge what the market will allow. The market wasn't willing to go to $3K for the Titan Z, but at $999 the Titan X seems to be selling well. If you could get all the buyers together you might get somewhere, but as an individual you're just a fart in the wind, and Nvidia (and to a slightly lesser extent AMD because somehow they got the rep as the discount brand in this duopoly) are completely ignoring you.

If Titan Z was single GPU with that performance then even at 3K it would have sold. Problem was SLI.
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