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No it's not. And I'm not a fanboy of either company and though I generally like ATI cards (actually since I bought the $599 Nvidia 7800 GTX way back and felt like it was a ripoff for the performance I got).

The analogy I made is exactly what I said, which is gamers are somehow so quick to defend companies that act in ways that would be intolerable in other sectors.

For example, no one is going to pay $600 for a Samsung Titan SSD that's only a standard amount faster than the prior gen product that costs $300. People aren't going to pay $1000 for a "Titan Super X Monitor" with 1ms response time when the next best product costs only $500 and offers 2ms response time.

The point is that gamers are curiously not only willing to let themselves be royally shafted by companies, whether it is game companies like EA releasing overhyped, overpriced, shiny crap every six months, or Nvidia coming up with the notion of charging $1000 for their flagship single card instead of $600, slapping the word "Titan" on it and watching people line up to pay a premium tax and then go defend why they should on the forums. It's utterly bizarre to see people spending energy defending Nvidia for charging a huge premium for this card ... but not much different than watching gamers defend Battlefield Premium, microtransactions, or whatever the latest corporate scheme is to transfer money out of the pockets of gamers based on something other than actually creating a higher quality product.

It's kind of absurd to compared everything to the r9 290 pricing right now. The market right now is determining pricing. If all of a sudden you wanted Nvidia to price their product in line with AMD's rather than market forces, you would have a dead AMD.

AMD's pricing is a result of the card simply not selling and being flooded the inventory channels. Too much supply and no demand basically.

Nvidia initially priced the cards of the gtx series inline with its competitor because the pricing for 290x was relatively high at the time and the pricing was sustainable.

290x was 500 and the gtx 980 was priced at 550 which was appropriate considering the performance. However, to gain marketshare Nvidia priced the gtx 970 at 329-350 which was generally disruptive of the market. Basically people who didn't hop on the r9 290 train and gtx 780 train, finally had a card they would jump on because of the value. Basically it killed demand of the 290 series and caused price drops.

If nvidia all of a sudden thought, although are cards are selling well at their current price, they are priced relatively too high compared to the competition, lets lower them to be in line with the competition. You basically have a cycle where AMD are continuingly pushed to the bottom to the point where they have to sell them for a loss to compete.

At equal pricing/performance Nvidia overwhelming sells better than AMD. Intel is also this way.

AMD had a 300 million inventory write down which resulted in a 364 million dollar loss last quarter for an already broke company. This is because their inventory value is all of a sudden cut in half.

Nvidia and Intel luxury, market leader pricing is allowing AMD to stay in business. If market leaders price their products in line with the competition, we win for the short term, until the underdog is put out of business,

Although we would love it, 500 dollar gtx titan x pricing and 500 5960x pricing would torpedo AMD into oblivion.
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That's probably the best justification I've heard for a $1000 dollar Titan or 5960x (still faster than CURRENT gen rather than last gen like the Titan) ... however, ATI was doing fine when Nvidia and ATI both charged 5-600 for the fastest single card, which incidentally is still kind of a ripoff anyway.
I mean all a GPU does is play games, at least a CPU does a variety of things.
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A lot of the reason why Nvidia is charging these premiums for flagship gpu's is because Amd continues to drag their feet on the PC market front. Maybe Amd will finally fold when they hold 5% of the market. Then we will have a $2k TItan.
 
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A lot of the reason why Nvidia is charging these premiums for flagship gpu's is because Amd continues to drag their feet on the PC market front. Maybe Amd will finally fold when they hold 5% of the market. Then we will have a $2k TItan.

It has nothing to do with AMD. It has to do with people willing to pay for Titan class card.
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It has nothing to do with AMD. It has to do with people willing to pay for Titan class card.

That's right blame the community, attack your peers on a forum based on getting the most from the latest technology. Stupid overclockers wanting such an overpriced and underpowered paperweight that's been out a week.
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Two EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN X Superclocked are officially in the mail and will be delivered to my house later this week!
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Two EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN X Superclocked are officially in the mail and will be delivered to my house later this week!

Nice, mine gets delivered to the store i'll pick it up from later this week. Are you getting blocks or air cooling? (checked your signature and probably answered my own question).
Edited by Nytestryke - 3/24/15 at 7:34pm
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That's probably the best justification I've heard for a $1000 dollar Titan or 5960x (still faster than CURRENT gen rather than last gen like the Titan) ... however, ATI was doing fine when Nvidia and ATI both charged 5-600 for the fastest single card, which incidentally is still kind of a ripoff anyway.
I mean all a GPU does is play games, at least a CPU does a variety of things.

What your expecting is unreasonable if you think flagships should always cost 500 or less which your comment is implying(since 500-600 is already a rip off according to you). Particularly these huge monster chips.

Cost go up over time. The cost of wafers themselves which the chips are made up have gotten more expensive. Chips thus made on newer processes, cost more. Similarly R and D prices are going up. in 2010 Nvidia spend abou 220 million a quarter on R and D. Now they spend 350 million a quarter. AMD's R and D has gotten lower but that has hurt their competitive nature.

These monolithic chips have such bad yields that is makes more sense to sell them as a professional chip only which costs 4k than sell them on the gaming landscape.

AMD was already losing marketshare when a gtx 780 ti was 699 and a gtx 780 was 499. They were hardly doing fine. Look at recent marketshare charts and their quarterly reports. The 290x and 290 were the better values and more competitive for performance, but they still sold worse than the competition.
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It has nothing to do with AMD. It has to do with people willing to pay for Titan class card.

It has everything to do with AMD. If AMD had a competing solution right now, I doubt this would be called a titan card. I don't know how you can not see AMD negatively in any light.

The entire assumption of waiting for AMD's cards is if they were present on the market, they would lower Nvidia's prices or provide compelling competing solutions.
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I a way rebrands are good because those older cards will still get driver updates.

I remember you saying that rebrands could be good in the other thread because they help driver support? Come on it would be way to early to cut driver support for GCN cards and support whether they are rebrands or not should continue for the next 3 years. Your cutting AMD too much slack as rebrands are never good. This is the type of comment I would expect from an Apple fanatic saying something like proprietary connectors are good.
Edited by tajoh111 - 3/24/15 at 7:51pm
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So if I'm reading and assuming correct, people are mad and complaining about the price of a card that heavily OCed (Titan X) is about fast as the 2 other fastest cards now (sli 980)? I don't understand.
Edited by ChampN252 - 3/24/15 at 9:50pm
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Nice, mine gets delivered to the store i'll pick it up from later this week. Are you getting blocks or air cooling? (checked your signature and probably answered my own question).

Air for now. I've been planning an upgrade to X99 for awhile now. Once I finally get around to that I'll slap EK blocks on the Titans.
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