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the problems with CF are due to Gameworks licensees dragging their feet with CF support. Dying Light patch 1.5 released on Mar 10th finally improved performance on AMD GPUs and enabled CF. Farcry 4 patch 1.9 brought CF support after 4 months from launch. Nvidia is using the Gameworks program primarily to sabotage the competition. btw its got nothing to do with Gameworks software. Nvidia is just using Gameworks as a cover for harming AMD GPU performance. I am sure the licensees are getting more than a nudge from Nvidia to go slow on performance improvements and CF support for AMD GPUs. In contrast AMD GE titles like DAI , Alien Isolation and Civilization BE worked very well on Nvidia GPUs at launch both in single GPU and SLI. You might want to start looking at things without those green glasses rolleyes.gif
This is just too funny.
You talk about conspiracies and sabotage yet claim others got their green glasses on.
post #1222 of 1345
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Ah yes, the invisible hand of Nvidia, holding AMD down at every turn.

Nvidia is the most unscruplous company in the tech industry. They are capable of the worst behaviour and definitely are sabotaging the competition with the trash called Gameworks. Whats worse Gameworks games have been synonymous with buggy, unoptimized and downright shoddy games at launch and require months and multiple versions of patching before its an enjoyable experience. In contrast AMD GE games are polished and optimized and provide a good experience on launch.

Alien Isolation
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/11/06/alien_isolation_video_card_performance_review/8#.VRvETvmUeSo
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Nvidia is the most unscruplous company in the tech industry. They are capable of the worst behaviour and definitely are sabotaging the competition with the trash called Gameworks. Whats worse Gameworks games have been synonymous with buggy, unoptimized and downright shoddy games at launch and require months and multiple versions of patching before its an enjoyable experience. In contrast AMD GE games are polished and optimized and provide a good experience on launch.

Alien Isolation
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/11/06/alien_isolation_video_card_performance_review/8#.VRvETvmUeSo

Yep, never anything shady about a GE release.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/03/07/nvidia-apologizes-for-poor-geforce-performance-in-tomb-raider
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Yep, never anything shady about a GE release.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/03/07/nvidia-apologizes-for-poor-geforce-performance-in-tomb-raider

Tombraider launched on Mar 5, 2013. Nvidia had a performance optimized driver less than 2 weeks later. btw even there Nvidia worked closely with Crystal Dynamics to optimize for TressFx which by the way is open. Gameworks on the contrary is a black box whose code is licensed to developers under strict licensing conditions to not share with AMD. So automatically any Gameworks developer cannot work with AMD to optimize for AMD GPUs. The developer has to on their own optimize for AMD GPUs without any involvement from AMD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_Raider_%282013_video_game%29
blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/03/15/lara-croft-joins-geforce-with-45-performance-gain/

FC4 enabled CF after 4 months with patch 1.9. Thats beyond pathetic. AC unity still does not support CF. Dying Light enabled CF with patch 1.5 roughly 6 weeks after launch. And you still believe Gameworks is not sabotaging the competition. Talk about strictly in denial tongue.gif
Edited by raghu78 - 4/1/15 at 3:40am
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Ah yes, the invisible hand of Nvidia, holding AMD down at every turn.

It really is pathetic that there are people out there who honestly believe that tripe.
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It really is pathetic that there are people out there who honestly believe that tripe.

what is pathetic is people living in denial after we have seen Nvidia sabotage performance on AMD GPUs in the past . Crysis 2 and Batman Arkham Asylum are classic examples of the shady behaviour of Nvidia rolleyes.gif

http://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing/6

http://www.vrworld.com/2009/11/04/batmangate-amd-vs-nvidia-vs-eidos-fight-analyzed/
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http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173511-nvidias-gameworks-program-usurps-power-from-developers-end-users-and-amd

So basically, a developer taking a part into the gameworks program can't share the code with AMD, meaning later optimizations.

AMD's statement: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/05/26/why-watch-dogs-is-bad-news-for-amd-users-and-potentially-the-entire-pc-gaming-ecosystem/

nVidia response: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/05/28/nvidia-fires-back-the-truth-about-gameworks-amd-optimization-and-watch-dogs/

Well, this obviously need someone else who's well-informed on the subject to tell how the cookie really crubmles. Anyway, this seem to be deserving of it's own topic, this is about Titan X.

So on-topic, yeah I'd like to have one, 12GB VRAM pool could be cool in Blender, but can't justify the cost as a student hobbyist atm.
post #1228 of 1345
Oh god ragu honestly believes that amd are in it for the people and to help the customer out, while nvidia are keeping them down not there own subpar product line. doh.gif
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The question we should be asking is not "why would NV leverage is market position to legally game (no pun intended.. Lol) the system?", but rather "why wouldn't NV do it for the benefit of maximizing shareholder value?". At the end of the day, NV's first and foremost fiduciary duty is to its shareholders, pragmatically speaking... tongue.gif
But, of course, you can switch out the "shareholders" in that statement with "stakeholders" (to encompass employees, trades, customers, etc) for the purposes of making it sound legit, but in reality, the bottom line always begins and ends with the shareholders.... Lol
So, if I were on NV's Board, I would be giving crap to the Management for not leveraging its position to maximize returns (and I am sure those discussions have already been had... Just a guess.. Lol) but as I said earlier, from a consumer's standpoint, I don't like my own ideas all that much. tongue.gif
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The question we should be asking is not "why would BOTH AMD and nVidia leverage is market position to legally game (no pun intended.. Lol) the system?", but rather "why wouldn't BOTH AMD and nVidia do it for the benefit of maximizing shareholder value?". At the end of the day, BOTH AMD and nVidia's first and foremost fiduciary duty is to its shareholders, pragmatically speaking... tongue.gif
But, of course, you can switch out the "shareholders" in that statement with "stakeholders" (to encompass employees, trades, customers, etc) for the purposes of making it sound legit, but in reality, the bottom line always begins and ends with the shareholders.... Lol
So, if I were on BOTH AMD and nVidia's Board, I would be giving crap to the Management for not leveraging its position to maximize returns (and I am sure those discussions have already been had... Just a guess.. Lol) but as I said earlier, from a consumer's standpoint, I don't like my own ideas all that much. tongue.gif

*fixed* and I agree.
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