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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

The Titan X Boosts into the 1150-1250 range at stock. While at stock ref GTX980 will boost in the 1200-1300 range.
The benchmarks we see now, is with the 980 and titan X nearly 50mhz from each other in terms of Clock for Clock.

We are not getting a 50% increase. Not even close.


The Anandtech review has the Titan X boosting @ 1215mhz. While their 980's review only got upto 1265mhz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/17
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/22


So can you please tell me where this 50% clock for clock improvement is coming from? As the Titan X has 50% more shaders, it would be impossible for it to be 50% faster.

Not that I really care because I won't be getting a Titan X, but the Titan X is probably throttling due its low power target. With the right bios and similar clocks, I do see the Titan X being 50% faster than a 980.(In some situations)
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Not that I really care because I won't be getting a Titan X, but the Titan X is probably throttling due its low power target. With the right bios and similar clocks, I do see the Titan X being 50% faster than a 980.(In some situations)

I was talking clock for clock.

They were able to get more than 1400mhz with the stock cooler/bios. And the performance was damn good, so yes it can be 50% faster with a overclock. But Clock for Clock. I don't think so.
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I can't fathom how he got this number from looking at the benches.

Using two assumptions:

980 is 1.2x faster than 290/x (true for a lot of stuff, especially at 1080p)

titan x at same clock speed as 980 would be 1.5x faster (if it's not there, it's close - it has 1.5x smm, same ratio of cores to all memory resources etc.)

1.2 * 1.5 = 1.8

960 = 8 smm, 128 bit
980 = 16smm, 256 bit - 2x as fast as 960
TX = 24smm, 384 bit - 3x as fast as 960
(assuming all clock speeds are the same)

we have seen a lot pointing towards that being true (even though it's common sense) - i have a quote from yesterday ATM, without digging through reviews
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The result was at 4k, the overclocked gtx titan x was 73% faster than another manually overclocked 290x. The kicker was the 290x when both were overclocked consumed 30w more power

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I really doubt Titan X's are maintaining anything more than ~1200-1300mhz or so with 275w power limit. They really need much higher power limits to go anywhere close to matching OC'd clocks and using ~1.225v etc.

My 980 at 1.25v hits 270w power limit in a few power hungry apps. A 1.5x bigger chip would obviously have major problems with a power limit that low, even with less voltage.

GM200 obviously the most power hungry chip in recent times at safe voltages. You can only get numbers like 220-250w from it using low volts.


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Going from 1200@1.0v to 1500@1.2v~

scaling to square of the voltage = 1.44x power, multiplied by 1.25 for frequency change = 1.8x power. That is, a chip that uses 220w at 1200mhz, 1v would use 396w at 1500mhz, 1.2v. That's obviously a very simplistic look at power though, and assumes that there is no other factors changing it and that all of the power consumption is from the GPU chip itself, not from vrm losses, VRAM etc.

Also, the Titan X seems to use a somewhat excessive voltage at stock - maybe it uses 1.1v for example to maintain 1200mhz. You can't see what it's truly stable at without using offsets or deliberately throttling it with the power limiter.
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post #334 of 1345
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Using two assumptions:

980 is 1.2x faster than 290/x (true for a lot of stuff, especially at 1080p)

titan x at same clock speed as 980 would be 1.5x faster (if it's not there, it's close - it has 1.5x smm, same ratio of cores to all memory resources etc.)

1.2 * 1.5 = 1.8

960 = 8 smm, 128 bit
980 = 16smm, 256 bit - 2x as fast as 960
TX = 24smm, 384 bit - 3x as fast as 960
(assuming all clock speeds are the same)

we have seen a lot pointing towards that being true (even though it's common sense) - i have a quote from yesterday ATM, without digging through reviews
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I really doubt Titan X's are maintaining anything more than ~1200-1300mhz or so with 275w power limit. They really need much higher power limits to go anywhere close to matching OC'd clocks and using ~1.225v etc.

My 980 at 1.25v hits 270w power limit in a few power hungry apps. A 1.5x bigger chip would obviously have major problems with a power limit that low, even with less voltage.

GM200 obviously the most power hungry chip in recent times at safe voltages. You can only get numbers like 220-250w from it using low volts.


---


Going from 1200@1.0v to 1500@1.2v~

scaling to square of the voltage = 1.44x power, multiplied by 1.25 for frequency change = 1.8x power. That is, a chip that uses 220w at 1200mhz, 1v would use 396w at 1500mhz, 1.2v. That's obviously a very simplistic look at power though, and assumes that there is no other factors changing it and that all of the power consumption is from the GPU chip itself, not from vrm losses, VRAM etc.

Also, the Titan X seems to use a somewhat excessive voltage at stock - maybe it uses 1.1v for example to maintain 1200mhz. You can't see what it's truly stable at without using offsets or deliberately throttling it with the power limiter.

You are comparing worst case scenarios with best case scenarios. Sometimes referred to as "cherry picking"; normally used by marketing. Averages are a better indication, and there is not a single review that has the 980 averaged at 20% faster than a 290x, a titan x averaged at 50% faster than a 980, and definitely not 80% faster than a 290x lol.
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titan x at same clock speed as 980 would be 1.5x faster (if it's not there, it's close - it has 1.5x smm, same ratio of cores to all memory resources etc.)

If only things scaled perfectly. rolleyes.gif


We already have near clock for clock comparisons. And we already know that the Titan X doesn't avg 50% increase over the 980, as every review sites says otherwise.


Also you forget that the 980 can be more than twice as fast as the 960. Just depends on the task at hand. Once you start running into limitations of your card, performance drops massively. Therefor you can get massive gains.


Also considering they have overclocked the Titan X into the 1400mhz range, and the card keeps its core clock in that range while gaming. Power limit is not a problem at stock. As if it did, you would have your core clocks drop.

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Is the 295x2 running mantle? As it makes a big difference when it comes to min frame rate.
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Is that titanx overclocked vs 295x2 stock?
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Also you forget that the 980 can be more than twice as fast as the 960. Just depends on the task at hand. Once you start running into limitations of your card, performance drops massively. Therefor you can get massive gains.

With under 2GB of VRAM used? I'd like to see that
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Also considering they have overclocked the Titan X into the 1400mhz range, and the card keeps its core clock in that range while gaming. Power limit is not a problem at stock. As if it did, you would have your core clocks drop.

Any pics showing steady core clock, power sensor, voltage used etc? Preferably all at the same time~ again expanding horizons etc. I have not seen a Titan X in the 1400+ range holding clocks with 275w power limit, and i can't really imagine Titan X holding 1.15 - 1.25v with 275w power limit very effectively, given my experiences with gm204.
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Is that titanx overclocked vs 295x2 stock?
I suppose so.. http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/
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Originally Posted by Marc79 View Post

I will have a Titan X to play around with for a day or two this Saturday, will see how it compares to my similarily clocked full Kepler, should be interesting. I predict X ownage @1440p in games/benchmarks.

Noooooo! Custom PCb or Bust!!

Let us know how it goes with the beast! thumb.gif I had a 780ti running at 1,351 MHz before so I'm curious how it compares to highly clocked 780ti's. I'd like a Titan X but after having the OG Titan, I like cards with bios switches on them and sadly Nvidia would probably never desecrate the Titan lineup with something to please customers me.
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