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post #811 of 1345
I personally think the new titan isnt the best buy..As for me im personally going to stick it out and grab the new series cards which will be cheaper and make the titan x looked overpriced even tho it is..
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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

4k bottlenecks the 980, therefor you will see more gains.


Hell you can see massive gains comparing a gtx770 2gb vs 4gb, when going over 2gb of VARM. When hit a limitation, it will only slow the card down.


The TitanX can easily be more than 50% in those cases. But I'm not talking about a single case, I'm talking about an avg.

This is hardly a single case, 56% is an average over multiple games. Even at 2560*1440 the difference between the overclocked titan x and stock gtx 980 is 52%. The bigger overclock at 1550 should yield better results. When your running at GPU at this level, your going have to run tougher settings to get CPU bottlenecks out of the way.

I would hope anyone buying titan x would be using a monitor greater than 1080. The eurogamers OC titan x shows lesser improvements over the gtx 980 at 1080p, but we are running into CPU bottleneck if anything at that resolution.
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Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post

This is hardly a single case, 56% is an average over multiple games. Even at 2560*1440 the difference between the overclocked titan x and stock gtx 980 is 52%. The bigger overclock at 1550 should yield better results. When your running at GPU at this level, your going have to run tougher settings to get CPU bottlenecks out of the way.

I would hope anyone buying titan x would be using a monitor greater than 1080. The eurogamers OC titan x shows lesser improvements over the gtx 980 at 1080p, but we are running into CPU bottleneck if anything at that resolution.

I was talking about clock for clock.

Titan X is 50% faster overclocked to 1550mhz vs a stock 980 (what would be in the 1200-1300mhz range). Just not clock for clock.
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The 5960X is an 8 core.

It might not seem much, a few hundred Mhz. But in 3-way and especially 4-way setups the scores in GPU benchmarking rise quite substantially. When it comes to those scenarios you need as much clock speed as possible for the cards to stretch their legs.

Lol, I'm aware it's an eight core. I guess I thought you meant that since the eight cores clock a couple hundred MHz lower than the six cores on average, is the eight core the best option. I think it would still be the best CPU available even if you have to settle for a 4.5ish OC.
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So if we overclock both cards to the same clock speed (1500mhz in your example), then the titan X would only be 33% faster. Because 1.5x is three .5's together. And a single .5 advantage is only 1/3 of its whole.....

You're looking at it backwards.

You're getting a 33% by subtracting percentage points - you can say for example that the 980 would be 0.67x as powerful as Titan X.

That would be a correct statement if they performed the same core for core, clock for clock - but if 980 is 1/3'rd slower Titan X, then Titan X is simultaneously 1.5x faster.

0.67 *1.5 = 1.00

1.00x * 0.67 = 0.67

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1.00x *1.5 = 1.50x

1.50x *0.67 = 1.0x
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I was talking about clock for clock.

Titan X is 50% faster overclocked to 1550mhz vs a stock 980 (what would be in the 1200-1300mhz range). Just not clock for clock.

They didn't actually specify a clock speed for the 980 at all, but we'll see
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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post

I was talking about clock for clock.

Titan X is 50% faster overclocked to 1550mhz vs a stock 980 (what would be in the 1200-1300mhz range). Just not clock for clock.

I was saying that doesn't make sense or is bad math because lesser overclocks are showing more of a difference than that already.

The eurogamer review shows 52% at 2560 and 56% with a lesser overclock than 1550mhz. It might be 40-50% if they are testing at 1080P, but not at higher resolutions.

Less look at that anandtech review you were talking about specifically since you like refering to that one.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9059/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-review/16

Particularly this page. If you add them up, you get a 1118.889 mhz average. The average for the gtx 980 is 1193.

This is a 6.62% difference in frequency. The anandtech shows a 1.35 difference between the two cards, this leads if all things were equal a 1.45 performance difference. This is pretty close to the theoretical difference of 1.5. Add in the the 1.35 figure is a combination of 2560 and 4k and you have pretty close to perfect scaling.

Going back to the original point, they should be getting more than 40-50%. Anandtech shows this as well.

If we take the 1.35(stated in the temperature, power and noise section as the average performance difference) and the 17.5%(the average of all the overclocking results) difference in performance between a regular clocked and overclocked card, and multiply to get the performance difference over a stock gtx 980. We get a performance difference of 1.586 or 58.6%.

Thus as I said, 40-50% doesn't make sense at those clocks.

The anandtech is thermally limited because he didn't crank up the fan(the temp is higher than the threshold point), which would cause throttling and the card also has a lower power limit in play since the bios wasn't modded.

If the other card is truly at 1550mhz(375watt power limit + aftermarket cooler), it should be closer to 70% faster compared to a stock gtx 980 perhaps even faster.

E.g again from anandtech.

average clocks are 96.111mhz away from boost clocks.

Apply this to the max boost clocks of the titan x which leads to a boost clocks being 1355.889

Subtract this from 1550 and divide this by 1355.889 to get the increase in frequency over the anandtech sample.

This is a 14.3% increase over anandtech.

This would actually lead to a difference of 1.143 * 1.586 = 1.8127 or 81.27% performance increase. I don't think clocks would scale this well but 1.7 or 70% should easily be reachable.
Edited by tajoh111 - 3/20/15 at 1:40pm
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Hey, guys who ordered from Nvidia how long did it take them to confirm the order or something I think i made it 5 hours ago I still didn't even get a conformation email.
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Nvidia seems overly confident (for better or worse) that AMD cannot beat the Titan X with the 390X by any significant margin, and they're hedging their bets that it will have relatively similar performance (or even lower) instead. We don't know if that's a smart or stupid tactic yet. This is why they released the Titan X early...to put pressure on AMD, and possibly steal away 390X sales before they happen, and they know that even if they get the top spot for even a short amount of time that they can reap huge profits by putting a price premium on the Titan X for as long as it lasts. Sound business strategy it seems, but it could very well backfire, as now the ball is solely in AMD's court, and they know what numbers they have to beat to regain the performance crown. For us consumers, this is a good thing.

That said, if the 390X is only similar in performance to the Titan X when it releases...you can bet Nvidia will come out swinging with a 6GB 980Ti, close to the performance of both a Titan X and 390X, for hundreds less.

Purely assumptions on my part...but if it plays out that way, it could be bad for AMD. We really, really need them to take it to Nvidia with the 390X. We can only benefit here. thumb.gif

i think nvidia are pulling a fast one on the titan x buyers, we can clearly see that the 290x's pull a lot of the performance gap back when going into large res situations which leads me to believe that the 390x is gona be real fast in large res environments, obviously the titan is new and that properly justifies the price but i would expect the price to drop quite a lot real soon when amd come out of the closet, its gona be interesting to see what line up amd offer, is their gona be a 390 8gb gddr5 and a 390x 8gb hbm? or both a 4gb gddr5 380 and a 4gb hbm 380x? but i bet 390x is gona be the fastest card this generation even if it is quite short lived due to a node shrink around the corner, and i hope nvidia hurry up and drop the tis cause its taking ages on them 2, what the hell is the 960 ti gona be? 4gb, 6gb? 2x6 pin i hope...
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i think nvidia are pulling a fast one on the titan x buyers, we can clearly see that the 290x's pull a lot of the performance gap back when going into large res situations which leads me to believe that the 390x is gona be real fast in large res environments, obviously the titan is new and that properly justifies the price but i would expect the price to drop quite a lot real soon when amd come out of the closet, its gona be interesting to see what line up amd offer, is their gona be a 390 8gb gddr5 and a 390x 8gb hbm? or both a 4gb gddr5 380 and a 4gb hbm 380x? but i bet 390x is gona be the fastest card this generation even if it is quite short lived due to a node shrink around the corner, and i hope nvidia hurry up and drop the tis cause its taking ages on them 2, what the hell is the 960 ti gona be? 4gb, 6gb? 2x6 pin i hope...

Nvidia isn't pulling a "fast one" on anyone - that's not possible with a price as ridiculous as $999. It's not like anyone buying one is going to get blindsided. The numbers are already there to reference and make an informed buying decision on. The only thing lacking is performance and overclockability with a voltage unlock/custom bios under water. Hit ~1500mhz+ on a Titan X and it's pretty much game over.

People are missing the point - this is a flagship-premium card. It's not meant to be a performance-per-dollar card, and it's not marketed as such. If the card isn't worth it to someone relative to the performance of current cards, well...that's cause it isn't. We can just all agree that this is an $800 card at best with a $200 premium for having the "Titan" branding on it, and a 12GB frame buffer. And since there's quite literally no single-GPU competitor to this (the 295X2 is a dual-GPU solution, as awesome of an alternative as it is), and it holds the "fastest single-GPU" crown right now...you have to pay to play.

I'm still not getting why it's so hard to understand that this card has ZERO value proposition. If you're having to constantly check the performance of a 980 and 290X before settling on the fact that the Titan X is roughly only 35% faster than a 980, and then thinking the Titan X is super-overpriced...well, there you have it. You're not the target demographic for this card, because you want performance-per-dollar. This card will not give you that, so you're right to steer clear of it.

And i'll mention again; why though, does the Titan X get so much flak for costing $450~ more than a GTX 980 at a 35% performance increase, but the GTX 980 doesn't get nearly as much for being what...15-20% better than a GTX 970, but for $200 more? No one seemed to have an issue with this before "VRAM-gate." Nvidia is squeezing as much as they can from the Titan X, and rightfully so; the ball has been in AMD's court for some time now, and we're still waiting. Believe me - I hope the 390X is a beast; but until it exists, and there's numbers to back it up...Nvidia has the single-GPU performance crown right now, and they're pricing it accordingly, thanks to the lack of competition. The beauty of capitalism.
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Nvidia isn't pulling a "fast one" on anyone - that's not possible with a price as ridiculous as $999. It's not like anyone buying one is going to get blindsided. The numbers are already there to reference and make an informed buying decision on. The only thing lacking is performance and overclockability with a voltage unlock/custom bios under water. Hit ~1500mhz+ on a Titan X and it's pretty much game over.

People are missing the point - this is a flagship-premium card. It's not meant to be a performance-per-dollar card, and it's not marketed as such. If the card isn't worth it to someone relative to the performance of current cards, well...that's cause it isn't. We can just all agree that this is an $800 card at best with a $200 premium for having the "Titan" branding on it, and a 12GB frame buffer. And since there's quite literally no single-GPU competitor to this (the 295X2 is a dual-GPU solution, as awesome of an alternative as it is), and it holds the "fastest single-GPU" crown right now...you have to pay to play.

I'm still not getting why it's so hard to understand that this card has ZERO value proposition. If you're having to constantly check the performance of a 980 and 290X before settling on the fact that the Titan X is roughly only 35% faster than a 980, and then thinking the Titan X is super-overpriced...well, there you have it. You're not the target demographic for this card, because you want performance-per-dollar. This card will not give you that, so you're right to steer clear of it.

And i'll mention again; why though, does the Titan X get so much flak for costing $450~ more than a GTX 980 at a 35% performance increase, but the GTX 980 doesn't get nearly as much for being what...15-20% better than a GTX 970, but for $200 more? No one seemed to have an issue with this before "VRAM-gate." Nvidia is squeezing as much as they can from the Titan X, and rightfully so; the ball has been in AMD's court for some time now, and we're still waiting. Believe me - I hope the 390X is a beast; but until it exists, and there's numbers to back it up...Nvidia has the single-GPU performance crown right now, and they're pricing it accordingly, thanks to the lack of competition. The beauty of capitalism.

Could not have said it better myself. Will I own a Titan X? Nope, I have 2x 980's that will last me a while, but the fact that people are complaining about the Titan X being so expensive need to realize that they are not the demographic Nvidia was aiming at. People that can afford one and want it will buy it.
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