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Originally Posted by jcde7ago View Post

Nvidia isn't pulling a "fast one" on anyone - that's not possible with a price as ridiculous as $999. It's not like anyone buying one is going to get blindsided. The numbers are already there to reference and make an informed buying decision on. The only thing lacking is performance and overclockability with a voltage unlock/custom bios under water. Hit ~1500mhz+ on a Titan X and it's pretty much game over.

People are missing the point - this is a flagship-premium card. It's not meant to be a performance-per-dollar card, and it's not marketed as such. If the card isn't worth it to someone relative to the performance of current cards, well...that's cause it isn't. We can just all agree that this is an $800 card at best with a $200 premium for having the "Titan" branding on it, and a 12GB frame buffer. And since there's quite literally no single-GPU competitor to this (the 295X2 is a dual-GPU solution, as awesome of an alternative as it is), and it holds the "fastest single-GPU" crown right now...you have to pay to play.

I'm still not getting why it's so hard to understand that this card has ZERO value proposition. If you're having to constantly check the performance of a 980 and 290X before settling on the fact that the Titan X is roughly only 35% faster than a 980, and then thinking the Titan X is super-overpriced...well, there you have it. You're not the target demographic for this card, because you want performance-per-dollar. This card will not give you that, so you're right to steer clear of it.

And i'll mention again; why though, does the Titan X get so much flak for costing $450~ more than a GTX 980 at a 35% performance increase, but the GTX 980 doesn't get nearly as much for being what...15-20% better than a GTX 970, but for $200 more? No one seemed to have an issue with this before "VRAM-gate." Nvidia is squeezing as much as they can from the Titan X, and rightfully so; the ball has been in AMD's court for some time now, and we're still waiting. Believe me - I hope the 390X is a beast; but until it exists, and there's numbers to back it up...Nvidia has the single-GPU performance crown right now, and they're pricing it accordingly, thanks to the lack of competition. The beauty of capitalism.

This is the same argument we Titan owners had back when it launched in 2013 but what you fail to grasp is how much the landscape has changed since then. The original Titan was a performance bomb of a card dropped into the vacuum of having had no real flagship releases in a year prior (there was a major hunger for something new) and in which there would be nothing faster than it released in a loooong time (780Ti and 290X, both of which were really not significantly faster when OCing was taken into account). Those factors helped justify its cost at the time. Today, however, we just had the 980 released a few months ago and AMD is right around the corner with a 390X that could easily surpass the Titan X in outright performance while also being more impressive looking technology-wise. If you can't understand the fundamental difference this time around then there's really nothing I can say to change that...
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Is the Titan X going to be a limited run kind of deal? or once AMD gets off the pot and releases their new card are the Titans going to be hard to find? I need a new card and I want a single card solution, be that a 390x, TitanX, 990 or 395x I don't particularly care but I remember the last Titan (original IIRC)I was looking at ended up being impossible to get after the first run, is this going to be a similar thing?
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

This is the same argument we Titan owners had back when it launched in 2013 but what you fail to grasp is how much the landscape has changed since then. The original Titan was a performance bomb of a card dropped into the vacuum of having had no real flagship releases in a year prior (there was a major hunger for something new) and in which there would be nothing faster than it released in a loooong time (780Ti and 290X, both of which were really not significantly faster when OCing was taken into account). Those factors helped justify its cost at the time. Today, however, we just had the 980 released a few months ago and AMD is right around the corner with a 390X that could easily surpass the Titan X in outright performance while also being more impressive looking technology-wise. If you can't understand the fundamental difference this time around then there's really nothing I can say to change that...

Oh, I get it. I really don't care whether you feel like I "grasp" it or not. The whole concept of what makes something a, "good buy" is irrelevant, since that's purely subjective...and that's my point.

Everything about the 390X in every post is, "I guess," or "I think" or "it should." There aren't any concrete facts about the card, period, regardless of how close or far away the release is. Those of us who don't want to wait for that actively chose to spend the money on something we feel is a worthwhile investment, and that's all there is to it. That you don't believe it to be is your opinion and you're very well entitled to it.

I can even make the argument that even though the 970 and 980 dropped not too long ago, they may as well have dropped in 2013, considering how well/on par the R9s keep up with them. The Titan X isn't as big of a bomb shell as the OG Titan may have been, but when the competition's dragging their feet...it doesn't have to be. So you go on and justify to yourself as much as you can that the Titan X isn't worth its cost to you, and that's fine. I'll continue to sit back and buy the cards that I know i'll enjoy, because I understand the investment i'm making based on my personal wants and needs. There are no justifications needed beyond that.
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LOL at their $60 price gouging.

I've never seen them do that before. That's brutal.
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Oh, I get it. I really don't care whether you feel like I "grasp" it or not. The whole concept of what makes something a, "good buy" is irrelevant, since that's purely subjective...and that's my point.

Everything about the 390X in every post is, "I guess," or "I think" or "it should." There aren't any concrete facts about the card, period, regardless of how close or far away the release is. Those of us who don't want to wait for that actively chose to spend the money on something we feel is a worthwhile investment, and that's all there is to it. That you don't believe it to be is your opinion and you're very well entitled to it.

I can even make the argument that even though the 970 and 980 dropped not too long ago, they may as well have dropped in 2013, considering how well/on par the R9s keep up with them. The Titan X isn't as big of a bomb shell as the OG Titan may have been, but when the competition's dragging their feet...it doesn't have to be. So you go on and justify to yourself as much as you can that the Titan X isn't worth its cost to you, and that's fine. I'll continue to sit back and buy the cards that I know i'll enjoy, because I understand the investment i'm making based on my personal wants and needs. There are no justifications needed beyond that.

When OG Titan came there was nothing from AMD. No talk of 290X nothing. That's what made Titan a safer choice. If 290X came 2 or 3 months after OG Titan thighs would have been different.
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This is the same argument we Titan owners had back when it launched in 2013 but what you fail to grasp is how much the landscape has changed since then. The original Titan was a performance bomb of a card dropped into the vacuum of having had no real flagship releases in a year prior (there was a major hunger for something new) and in which there would be nothing faster than it released in a loooong time (780Ti and 290X, both of which were really not significantly faster when OCing was taken into account). Those factors helped justify its cost at the time. Today, however, we just had the 980 released a few months ago and AMD is right around the corner with a 390X that could easily surpass the Titan X in outright performance while also being more impressive looking technology-wise. If you can't understand the fundamental difference this time around then there's really nothing I can say to change that...

It's funny that you mention this, as these are the exact same passionate arguments that we had in the OG Titan launch thread. And, I do agree that Titan was something of a "novelty halo" product (at least from a marketing perspective tongue.gif ), and it was perceived to be something special.... Lol

Most of the Titan guys have been at this rodeo before, so very few, if any would make the same arguments with the passion that we saw the last time around. tongue.gif
Although I personally "feel" the same way as you about this Titan (nothing special, been there, done that kind a thing...lol), others haven't had that experience. I can understand where jcde7ago is coming from, as he probably took a lot grief for his gtx 690 because of the lack of VRAM (I know because I was there with my 690.. tongue.gif), especially when the Titan came out. So , some people are just trying to enjoy there new toy....let them, as they should.
But, judging by NV's marketing "body language". NV will shortly have something a lot better p/p coming out soon (as soon as the 390x drops)

I just hope that the "legit" buyers don't have any buyer's remorse a couple of months from now...lol
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guys why don't i see any 4 way titan x benchmarks?
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guys why don't i see any 4 way titan x benchmarks?

I think digitalstorm did with their review. It's on the first page. You have to click the 'Video reviews, Benchmarks and Tests' spoiler tag in the OP. The MainGear video below it has Quad-SLI Titan X benches as well.

Edit:

You're probably referring to OC.net users posting benchmark numbers however...

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I think digitalstorm did with their review. It's on the first page. You have to click the 'Video reviews, Benchmarks and Tests' spoiler tag in the OP. The MainGear video below it has Quad-SLI Titan X benches as well.

Edit:

You're probably referring to OC.net users posting benchmark numbers however...

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Can someone gimme link, im mean they show videos of 4 way sli but I don't see the benchies
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